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>only selfish personal financial interest should be taken into account Sorry, that's just wrong. Firstly, the central scientific question is one of description

by _0ffh 5y ago

>only selfish personal financial interest should be taken into account Sorry, that's just wrong. Firstly, the central scientific question is one of description and not prescription. It's not what should be taken into account but what actually is. Secondly, that which is taken into account is not "selfish personal financial interest" but preference. Would you seriously try and deny that you have preferences and choose your actions in accordance with those preferences? Well, neither can anyone else.

dang 5y ago
Hey, can you please make your substantive points without crossing into the flamewar style on HN? We're trying for curious conversation here, which is more or less disjoint from ideological battle (and this particular ideological theme is of course a flamewar classic). If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful. Note this one: "Have curious conversation; don't cross-examine."
- _0ffh 5y ago
  Hi, I've reviewed my comment and unfortunately I honestly can't see what's wrong with it. I've made two points about factual errors and I asked a rhetorical question to drive my point home. I highlighted, but deliberately didn't further comment on, the unnecessarily loaded language of the parent comment. Although I'm told I come from a culture that tends towards speaking somewhat bluntly, I'm truly surprised and a bit confused to have my comment come across as "flamewar style", when what I was going for was more along the lines of "clinically detached rebuttal".
  - dang 5y ago
    I read HN comments rather superficially (just because time/quantity is so low). From that perspective, when a comment starts with a putdown like "Sorry, that's just wrong" and ends with "Would you seriously try and deny", it's already clear that it isn't curious conversation. When I read the comment more closely it doesn't seem as bad. If you'd dropped the swipe in the first sentence, it would've been ok. I'm sure it's true that culture enters into this, but given that HN is a highly international/multicultural forum, what that unfortunately means is that we all have to neutralize ourselves a little bit in order to be understood correctly. or something like that.
    - _0ffh 5y ago
      Okay, thanks for the heads up and explanation, I'll try to keep it in mind!

by _0ffh 5y ago

dang 5y ago

Hey, can you please make your substantive points without crossing into the flamewar style on HN? We're trying for curious conversation here, which is more or less disjoint from ideological battle (and this particular ideological theme is of course a flamewar classic). If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful. Note this one: "Have curious conversation; don't cross-examine."

_0ffh 5y ago
Hi, I've reviewed my comment and unfortunately I honestly can't see what's wrong with it. I've made two points about factual errors and I asked a rhetorical question to drive my point home. I highlighted, but deliberately didn't further comment on, the unnecessarily loaded language of the parent comment. Although I'm told I come from a culture that tends towards speaking somewhat bluntly, I'm truly surprised and a bit confused to have my comment come across as "flamewar style", when what I was going for was more along the lines of "clinically detached rebuttal".
- dang 5y ago
  I read HN comments rather superficially (just because time/quantity is so low). From that perspective, when a comment starts with a putdown like "Sorry, that's just wrong" and ends with "Would you seriously try and deny", it's already clear that it isn't curious conversation. When I read the comment more closely it doesn't seem as bad. If you'd dropped the swipe in the first sentence, it would've been ok. I'm sure it's true that culture enters into this, but given that HN is a highly international/multicultural forum, what that unfortunately means is that we all have to neutralize ourselves a little bit in order to be understood correctly. or something like that.
  - _0ffh 5y ago
    Okay, thanks for the heads up and explanation, I'll try to keep it in mind!