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Japan finds more contaminated Moderna vaccines

45 points by the-dude 5y ago

warabe 5y ago
Sadly, some of the claims by anti-vaccination people became really true... Thank you, Moderna!
- smorgusofborg 5y ago
  Two different colored contaminants in two batches found only in Japan. I'm not sure Moderna will ultimately be at fault.
  - atatatat 5y ago
    Go on.
kdtop3 5y ago
When there is a problem with car manufacturing, there is a recall and life goes on. When there is a problem with vaccine manufacturing, there must be a conspiracy.
- recursivedoubts 5y ago
  Yeah. People should just come on in to the vaccine dealership and get the vaccine defect fixed. What's the big deal?
- readflaggedcomm 5y ago
  Vaccine manufacturers are indemnified, at least in the US. If car manufacturers were, I'd wonder if the powers that made it so had something to hide, too.
  - lynndotpy 5y ago
    Although it was just analogy, are you familiar with the Ford Pinto? The Ford Pinto had a serious safety issue where rear-ending it would lock the doors and explode. They knew about the issue but did not recall it because the cost-benefit analysis told them not-recalling was the most profitable move So, car manufacturers weren't exactly indemnified, but the costs of doing wrong continue not to be great enough to matter.
    - kdtop3 5y ago
      Late reply. Viewing comments, I realize my initial comment was a bit too snarky. I was not at all trying to shield the manufacturers from being held responsible for harm from a defective product. I was mostly concerned that people would use the situation to decry all vaccines, denying their benefit. To extend the analogy of the Ford Pinto, I didn't want someone to say that because Ford made a dangerous car, that all cars were bad, that Ford was trying to kill off American citizens, and that one should never ride in or drive a car.
  - chucksta 5y ago
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiB8GVMNJkE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiB8GVMNJkE
- proc0 5y ago
  Nobody is talking about forcing me to buy a car.
nootropicat 5y ago
I thought all those magnet photos were obvious hoaxes, but I don't know what to think anymore. How much metal is actually needed for a noticeable magnetic reaction in the injection site? "Foreign substance detected in Moderna vaccine in Japan may be metal" https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/08/27/national/moderna-contamination-metal/ https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/08/27/national/modern...
tumult 5y ago
This article from The New Daily states that two deaths were caused by contaminated vaccines. But as far as I know, this has not been stated here in Japan—two people who had received vaccines from a lot that had been suspended (not confirmed to have been contaminated) died within a few days of receiving the vaccine, but there have been no statements about the cause of death at all, or if there is any connection to the vaccine. https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/08/29/national/moderna-contaminants-vaccines-okinawa/ https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/08/29/national/modern... The article also says that additional contaminated vaccines were found. But this is a lie. The two people who died were vaccinated from the lots that were already suspended. There are no new suspended lots or suspicions of additional contaminated lots. (There is 1 confirmed contaminated lot, and 2 other lots from the same plant were proactively suspended. This happened simultaneously and are the only suspended lots.) This article from The New Daily seems to be twisting news from a foreign country (Japan) to make a point about domestic affairs from its own country (Australia.) I've never read anything from The New Daily before, but this reporting is very low quality. Please correct me if I'm wrong about any of this.
- fomine3 5y ago
  First part is true, but another contaminated batch is found in Gunma, Japan. https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/08/29/national/science-health/japan-moderna-vaccine-contamination/ https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/08/29/national/scienc...
  - tumult 5y ago
    Thanks. I hadn’t seen that when I checked the news before posting.
MichaelZuo 5y ago
Well I do hope the families of the two folks who perished get compensated. Does anyone know the vaccine compensation system works in Japan?
- 1ark 5y ago
  https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00784-4/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6... https://japantoday.com/category/features/health/If-you-die-from-the-COVID-19-vaccine-in-Japan-the-government-will-give-your-family-over-%C2%A544-mil https://japantoday.com/category/features/health/If-you-die-f...
nowherebeen 5y ago
Follow up: https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/08/30/national/science-health/okinawa-coronavirus-vaccine-rubber/ https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/08/30/national/scienc... Seems like it's from vial stoppers

45 points by the-dude 5y ago

warabe 5y ago

Sadly, some of the claims by anti-vaccination people became really true... Thank you, Moderna!

smorgusofborg 5y ago
Two different colored contaminants in two batches found only in Japan. I'm not sure Moderna will ultimately be at fault.
- atatatat 5y ago
  Go on.

kdtop3 5y ago

When there is a problem with car manufacturing, there is a recall and life goes on. When there is a problem with vaccine manufacturing, there must be a conspiracy.

recursivedoubts 5y ago
Yeah. People should just come on in to the vaccine dealership and get the vaccine defect fixed. What's the big deal?
readflaggedcomm 5y ago
Vaccine manufacturers are indemnified, at least in the US. If car manufacturers were, I'd wonder if the powers that made it so had something to hide, too.
- lynndotpy 5y ago
  Although it was just analogy, are you familiar with the Ford Pinto? The Ford Pinto had a serious safety issue where rear-ending it would lock the doors and explode. They knew about the issue but did not recall it because the cost-benefit analysis told them not-recalling was the most profitable move So, car manufacturers weren't exactly indemnified, but the costs of doing wrong continue not to be great enough to matter.
  - kdtop3 5y ago
    Late reply. Viewing comments, I realize my initial comment was a bit too snarky. I was not at all trying to shield the manufacturers from being held responsible for harm from a defective product. I was mostly concerned that people would use the situation to decry all vaccines, denying their benefit. To extend the analogy of the Ford Pinto, I didn't want someone to say that because Ford made a dangerous car, that all cars were bad, that Ford was trying to kill off American citizens, and that one should never ride in or drive a car.
- chucksta 5y ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiB8GVMNJkE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiB8GVMNJkE
proc0 5y ago
Nobody is talking about forcing me to buy a car.

nootropicat 5y ago

I thought all those magnet photos were obvious hoaxes, but I don't know what to think anymore. How much metal is actually needed for a noticeable magnetic reaction in the injection site? "Foreign substance detected in Moderna vaccine in Japan may be metal" https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/08/27/national/moderna-contamination-metal/ https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/08/27/national/modern...

tumult 5y ago

This article from The New Daily states that two deaths were caused by contaminated vaccines. But as far as I know, this has not been stated here in Japan—two people who had received vaccines from a lot that had been suspended (not confirmed to have been contaminated) died within a few days of receiving the vaccine, but there have been no statements about the cause of death at all, or if there is any connection to the vaccine. https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/08/29/national/moderna-contaminants-vaccines-okinawa/ https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/08/29/national/modern... The article also says that additional contaminated vaccines were found. But this is a lie. The two people who died were vaccinated from the lots that were already suspended. There are no new suspended lots or suspicions of additional contaminated lots. (There is 1 confirmed contaminated lot, and 2 other lots from the same plant were proactively suspended. This happened simultaneously and are the only suspended lots.) This article from The New Daily seems to be twisting news from a foreign country (Japan) to make a point about domestic affairs from its own country (Australia.) I've never read anything from The New Daily before, but this reporting is very low quality. Please correct me if I'm wrong about any of this.

fomine3 5y ago
First part is true, but another contaminated batch is found in Gunma, Japan. https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/08/29/national/science-health/japan-moderna-vaccine-contamination/ https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/08/29/national/scienc...
- tumult 5y ago
  Thanks. I hadn’t seen that when I checked the news before posting.

MichaelZuo 5y ago

Well I do hope the families of the two folks who perished get compensated. Does anyone know the vaccine compensation system works in Japan?

1ark 5y ago
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00784-4/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6... https://japantoday.com/category/features/health/If-you-die-from-the-COVID-19-vaccine-in-Japan-the-government-will-give-your-family-over-%C2%A544-mil https://japantoday.com/category/features/health/If-you-die-f...

nowherebeen 5y ago

Follow up: https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/08/30/national/science-health/okinawa-coronavirus-vaccine-rubber/ https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/08/30/national/scienc... Seems like it's from vial stoppers