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Always great to see artists' perspective on "piracy", the people actually making that "copyrighted work" and having to make a living out of it, rather than the

Always great to see artists' perspective on "piracy", the people actually making that "copyrighted work" and having to make a living out of it, rather than the opinion of the big corporations.

Syama 15y ago
It's also refreshing to see the artist open to input on this issue from their fans http://www.facebook.com/Bassnectar/posts/226030840772909 http://www.facebook.com/Bassnectar/posts/226030840772909
jarin 15y ago
Also, from what I've heard little or none of the funds gathered from RIAA piracy suits actually get to the artist anyway.
patio11 15y ago
Always great to see artists' perspective on "piracy" Do you mean that sincerely, or do you mean it is always great to see artists' perspective on "piracy" when they're equivalent to your perspective on piracy? I make a living selling "copyrighted work", and it determines whether I eat on any given day. I am not a big corporation. I think pirates are value-destroying parasites, and their justifications are self-serving proto-philosophy drizzled over gigantic entitlement issues. The fundamental justification for piracy is that stealing stuff is a lot preferable to buying stuff if stealing stuff carries no social cost to it. I implement DRM and, worse to pirates, changes to business models which are 100% effective DRM++: put the bits which need protecting on your server, gate access to them based on payment. This both helps me continue eating and gives me that piece of mind that only people who are not getting their stuff stolen have. That is just this artist's perspective, of course.
- slowpoke 15y ago
  Oh dear, where do I start... First off, stealing. I don't give a crap how often you and others like you spout this bullshit, it doesn't make it any more correct. It's not stealing. It never was, it never will be. If you are unable to understand the consequences of digital media, that's a pity, but not the fault of the evil, evil pirates. Second, that's a pretty nice appeal to emotion. Frankly, I don't give half a fuck whether you starve to death. If your business model cannot keep up with technology and you refuse to adapt (or worse, try to fight the change, which is ultimately a losing battle to everyone's detriment, including you), that's your fault. The evil, evil pirates are just a convenient excuse. Third, if you really /need/ all this bullshit to get people to buy your stuff, then your doing something very, very wrong. Deliver a good product at a reasonable price and people will be happy to pay for it. Stop developing against the evil, evil pirates but instead for your valid costumers. Fourth, if 'free culture/software' is a 'self-serving proto-philosophy drizzled over gigantic entitlement issues' to you, I can't help but feel sorry for you.
  - patio11 15y ago
    Hiya Slowpoke. You seem to be new to HN. That's cool. We're very much unlike some other Internet communities which you've spent time on. In particular, we place a wee bit of emphasis on treating people like they are people, even when interacting with them over HTTP. My name is Patrick. Pleased to meet you. I run a business which helps teach little kids to read, and spend a lot of time on HN as my hobby. A lot of HNers know me, have spoken to me, or have shaken my hand in person, because I'm a fairly personable guy. Most do not say "Hello Patrick, pleased to meet you, I don't give half a fuck whether you starve to death." That would be a wee bit uncouth. We have guidelines here for the community's consensus on talking to each other: http://ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html http://ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html I'd also like to leave you with a video from Derek Sivers, who also happens to be a HNer. I think the lesson is rather important. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfwwHa-7Ux8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfwwHa-7Ux8
    - saturn 15y ago
      While slowpoke's rudeness is to be deplored, you set yourself up for that. Attempting to tie your survival (ie whether you eat) with a political concept (support, or otherwise, of the current intellectual property regime) is a pretty poor argument. "Either you agree with me, or you want me to starve to death!" I also don't appreciate the call to some kind of moral high ground - "I run a business which helps teach little kids to read". Yeah yeah. Maybe slowpoke has devoted his life to curing cancer in kittens. Wouldn't make any difference to his argument, either.
      - joshuacc 15y ago
        "I also don't appreciate the call to some kind of moral high ground ... Wouldn't make any difference to his argument, either." In fact, the moral standing of participants in an argument does make a difference. It informs us regarding the credibility of their moral judgment. For example, the moral judgment of someone who knocks over convenience stores for a living is probably a wee bit less reliable than the moral judgment of someone who spends his time serving the poor in soup kitchens.

Always great to see artists' perspective on "piracy", the people actually making that "copyrighted work" and having to make a living out of it, rather than the opinion of the big corporations.

Syama 15y ago

It's also refreshing to see the artist open to input on this issue from their fans http://www.facebook.com/Bassnectar/posts/226030840772909 http://www.facebook.com/Bassnectar/posts/226030840772909

jarin 15y ago

Also, from what I've heard little or none of the funds gathered from RIAA piracy suits actually get to the artist anyway.

patio11 15y ago

Always great to see artists' perspective on "piracy" Do you mean that sincerely, or do you mean it is always great to see artists' perspective on "piracy" when they're equivalent to your perspective on piracy? I make a living selling "copyrighted work", and it determines whether I eat on any given day. I am not a big corporation. I think pirates are value-destroying parasites, and their justifications are self-serving proto-philosophy drizzled over gigantic entitlement issues. The fundamental justification for piracy is that stealing stuff is a lot preferable to buying stuff if stealing stuff carries no social cost to it. I implement DRM and, worse to pirates, changes to business models which are 100% effective DRM++: put the bits which need protecting on your server, gate access to them based on payment. This both helps me continue eating and gives me that piece of mind that only people who are not getting their stuff stolen have. That is just this artist's perspective, of course.

slowpoke 15y ago
Oh dear, where do I start... First off, stealing. I don't give a crap how often you and others like you spout this bullshit, it doesn't make it any more correct. It's not stealing. It never was, it never will be. If you are unable to understand the consequences of digital media, that's a pity, but not the fault of the evil, evil pirates. Second, that's a pretty nice appeal to emotion. Frankly, I don't give half a fuck whether you starve to death. If your business model cannot keep up with technology and you refuse to adapt (or worse, try to fight the change, which is ultimately a losing battle to everyone's detriment, including you), that's your fault. The evil, evil pirates are just a convenient excuse. Third, if you really /need/ all this bullshit to get people to buy your stuff, then your doing something very, very wrong. Deliver a good product at a reasonable price and people will be happy to pay for it. Stop developing against the evil, evil pirates but instead for your valid costumers. Fourth, if 'free culture/software' is a 'self-serving proto-philosophy drizzled over gigantic entitlement issues' to you, I can't help but feel sorry for you.
- patio11 15y ago
  Hiya Slowpoke. You seem to be new to HN. That's cool. We're very much unlike some other Internet communities which you've spent time on. In particular, we place a wee bit of emphasis on treating people like they are people, even when interacting with them over HTTP. My name is Patrick. Pleased to meet you. I run a business which helps teach little kids to read, and spend a lot of time on HN as my hobby. A lot of HNers know me, have spoken to me, or have shaken my hand in person, because I'm a fairly personable guy. Most do not say "Hello Patrick, pleased to meet you, I don't give half a fuck whether you starve to death." That would be a wee bit uncouth. We have guidelines here for the community's consensus on talking to each other: http://ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html http://ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html I'd also like to leave you with a video from Derek Sivers, who also happens to be a HNer. I think the lesson is rather important. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfwwHa-7Ux8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfwwHa-7Ux8
  - saturn 15y ago
    While slowpoke's rudeness is to be deplored, you set yourself up for that. Attempting to tie your survival (ie whether you eat) with a political concept (support, or otherwise, of the current intellectual property regime) is a pretty poor argument. "Either you agree with me, or you want me to starve to death!" I also don't appreciate the call to some kind of moral high ground - "I run a business which helps teach little kids to read". Yeah yeah. Maybe slowpoke has devoted his life to curing cancer in kittens. Wouldn't make any difference to his argument, either.
    - joshuacc 15y ago
      "I also don't appreciate the call to some kind of moral high ground ... Wouldn't make any difference to his argument, either." In fact, the moral standing of participants in an argument does make a difference. It informs us regarding the credibility of their moral judgment. For example, the moral judgment of someone who knocks over convenience stores for a living is probably a wee bit less reliable than the moral judgment of someone who spends his time serving the poor in soup kitchens.