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I find this response really intriguing. We as citizens are perfectly capable of handling people lying to us...we do it with children, coworkers, salespeople, a

by avs733 5y ago

I find this response really intriguing. We as citizens are perfectly capable of handling people lying to us...we do it with children, coworkers, salespeople, advertising, etc. Why is the standard response to fix the police. Obviously, they shouldn't lie, there should be consequences but the solutions don't start there. This works because people believe cops. Reporters take police reports as truth until proven otherwise. Juries (and judges) take the word of cops over the accused. The public generally treats things said by police as correct even despite evidence to the contrary. I would posit that we are the problem because the actions of the cops don't work unless we presume they are telling the truth. Fix the cops, sure, of course (especially 2, disarm them). But fix our society's interaction with them as well.

AnthonyMouse 5y ago
> I would posit that we are the problem because the actions of the cops don't work unless we presume they are telling the truth. The problem is that we've built the entire system on the assumption that we can believe them. Admit that assumption could be wrong and it all falls apart. Suppose the cops say they found drugs on you. You say they planted them. If we believe the cops, you go to jail. If we admit that there have been documented cases of cops planting drugs on people and call that reasonable doubt, nobody goes to jail. You can't have laws against drug possession, or anything else where you don't at least have a victim to corroborate what the police are alleging. Which is presumably what we need to do, but now we have to fight all the people who want to make it illegal to possess anything that crooked cops could plant on you.
- netizen-936824 5y ago
  We shouldn't have laws prohibiting drugs in the first place, that's part of the problem. Prohibition didn't work for alcohol and it doesn't work for any of the other drugs. It only leads to corruption and organized crime.

by avs733 5y ago

AnthonyMouse 5y ago

> I would posit that we are the problem because the actions of the cops don't work unless we presume they are telling the truth. The problem is that we've built the entire system on the assumption that we can believe them. Admit that assumption could be wrong and it all falls apart. Suppose the cops say they found drugs on you. You say they planted them. If we believe the cops, you go to jail. If we admit that there have been documented cases of cops planting drugs on people and call that reasonable doubt, nobody goes to jail. You can't have laws against drug possession, or anything else where you don't at least have a victim to corroborate what the police are alleging. Which is presumably what we need to do, but now we have to fight all the people who want to make it illegal to possess anything that crooked cops could plant on you.

netizen-936824 5y ago
We shouldn't have laws prohibiting drugs in the first place, that's part of the problem. Prohibition didn't work for alcohol and it doesn't work for any of the other drugs. It only leads to corruption and organized crime.