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I wonder if autopilot was actually on? Surely people are going to try to blame autopilot falsely to try to shirk responsibility (which I imagine won’t work what

I wonder if autopilot was actually on? Surely people are going to try to blame autopilot falsely to try to shirk responsibility (which I imagine won’t work whatsoever). Will governments want a way for law enforcement to quickly audit autopilot status as this becomes more widespread technology?

foerbert 5y ago
I'm not sure why you're finding this particularly doubt-wowrthy. Tesla autopilot doesn't have the most amazingly clean history - particularly when it comes to this exact sort of situation. It does not handle stationary obstacles in a lane very well. It's even been a somewhat popular topic recently.
- parineum 5y ago
  > It's even been a somewhat popular topic recently. Which is a great reason to start judging the claim a bit more skeptically than normal. Once the press latch on to a theme, they can be incredibly quick to make it an epidemic at the expense of due diligence.
  - foerbert 5y ago
    I suppose so, but this sort of problem has been pretty well documented as actually being a thing. I was also referring more to techie-type arenas, I don't know that I've seen much about this so specifically recently in major media outlets. Even if it was... it seems pretty clear this is the exact type of problem you'd expect to see a Tesla have. If you're at the point where you're doubting it simply because other people might know it's a problem... eventually you kind of lose the ability to function here, as the mere knowledge of doubt makes you doubt the doubt, and when does that end? Hell, we've all heard lots recently about the media being so bad...
- comradesmith 5y ago
  Oh I’m sure that autopilot is going to make this kind of mistake or may be at fault here. But I am equally sure that someone will one day try to lie about having autopilot on to get out of a traffic accident.
theshrike79 5y ago
This is like the Prius stuck accelerator bug that actually affected like two people ever. There were ten times as much people claiming their own crashes on a stuck accelerator - not knowing that the Prius logs this kind of stuff and it can be checked after the fact.
- tibbydudeza 5y ago
  It was the Corolla unintended acceleration. They had a global recall and a settlement to the families - they just fitted a new accelerator pedal and carpet mat.
Lutzb 5y ago
I worked for one of the top 5 car manufacturer in the 2000s in the head unit development division. One mantra at the time was that the car should never implicate its driver. Marketing was afraid of the backlash. So we were required not to keep logs of e.g. speed, pedal positions, g forces and so on. The only exception was anything related to the convertible folding roof. So many people reported failure when it was most likely caused by opening it while accelerating to fast. So for this case the do not implicate rule was relaxed. I am no longer working in this area, but I guess the do-not-implicate rule was dropped.
- queuep 5y ago
  I went into the ditch last year in a new car and car had some repairable damages. I asked the dealership if I could get some logs from the car. Apparently there were no logs. I wanted to see the logs as it felt like the ABS didn’t engage and I wanted to see and review what actions I took so I might be more prepared if there is ever a next time.
  - carlhjerpe 5y ago
    As long as the data is and stays mine I'd be happy to have all telemetry possible.
    - Lutzb 5y ago
      The issue they were afraid of back then was that some jurisdiction might force the company to enable law enforcement to extract data from the car.

foerbert 5y ago

I'm not sure why you're finding this particularly doubt-wowrthy. Tesla autopilot doesn't have the most amazingly clean history - particularly when it comes to this exact sort of situation. It does not handle stationary obstacles in a lane very well. It's even been a somewhat popular topic recently.

parineum 5y ago
> It's even been a somewhat popular topic recently. Which is a great reason to start judging the claim a bit more skeptically than normal. Once the press latch on to a theme, they can be incredibly quick to make it an epidemic at the expense of due diligence.
- foerbert 5y ago
  I suppose so, but this sort of problem has been pretty well documented as actually being a thing. I was also referring more to techie-type arenas, I don't know that I've seen much about this so specifically recently in major media outlets. Even if it was... it seems pretty clear this is the exact type of problem you'd expect to see a Tesla have. If you're at the point where you're doubting it simply because other people might know it's a problem... eventually you kind of lose the ability to function here, as the mere knowledge of doubt makes you doubt the doubt, and when does that end? Hell, we've all heard lots recently about the media being so bad...
comradesmith 5y ago
Oh I’m sure that autopilot is going to make this kind of mistake or may be at fault here. But I am equally sure that someone will one day try to lie about having autopilot on to get out of a traffic accident.

theshrike79 5y ago

This is like the Prius stuck accelerator bug that actually affected like two people ever. There were ten times as much people claiming their own crashes on a stuck accelerator - not knowing that the Prius logs this kind of stuff and it can be checked after the fact.

tibbydudeza 5y ago
It was the Corolla unintended acceleration. They had a global recall and a settlement to the families - they just fitted a new accelerator pedal and carpet mat.

Lutzb 5y ago

I worked for one of the top 5 car manufacturer in the 2000s in the head unit development division. One mantra at the time was that the car should never implicate its driver. Marketing was afraid of the backlash. So we were required not to keep logs of e.g. speed, pedal positions, g forces and so on. The only exception was anything related to the convertible folding roof. So many people reported failure when it was most likely caused by opening it while accelerating to fast. So for this case the do not implicate rule was relaxed. I am no longer working in this area, but I guess the do-not-implicate rule was dropped.

queuep 5y ago
I went into the ditch last year in a new car and car had some repairable damages. I asked the dealership if I could get some logs from the car. Apparently there were no logs. I wanted to see the logs as it felt like the ABS didn’t engage and I wanted to see and review what actions I took so I might be more prepared if there is ever a next time.
- carlhjerpe 5y ago
  As long as the data is and stays mine I'd be happy to have all telemetry possible.
  - Lutzb 5y ago
    The issue they were afraid of back then was that some jurisdiction might force the company to enable law enforcement to extract data from the car.