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They could raise the requirements to become a cop, and change the structure of organization. 1. Require at least a bachelor's degree in anything. 2. Nix all

They could raise the requirements to become a cop, and change the structure of organization. 1. Require at least a bachelor's degree in anything. 2. Nix all paramilitary training. 3. Make each cop civilly/criminally legally liable for for their third screw up. 4. Hire only people over 25. 5. Dissuade military personal, including veterans, from thinking they have a job waiting for themselfs after their stint is up. (We do not need miitiary trained soldiers. We need Sociologists, and Psychologists.) 6. Cameras should be on every cop, without a way to turn the devise off. (Any complaints could then be verified by a third party.) 7. Get rid of all out little police squads. A cops would be federally licensed, and trained. Preferably stationed where they are needed. In my county of Marin, most are not needed. 8. And let's be honest. Most Cops are just Revenue Collectors. They are not going to be there to save our lives. To anyone saying, there won't be enough people applying for the job. Come on? There are a lot of people whom would like to become Police Officers. It usually those people, people who just want an honest job, whom are not hired. Get rid of all the cowboys, and hire level headed people. Ban all high speed chases, unless it involves a kidnapping. Require all police to obey every road law we are expected to abide. Make all uniforms Orange, or Pink. At least we could see them comming, and the bright colors might make the right people apply? 9. I'm not going to debate. I'm sick and tired of looking in my rear view mirror, or trying to figure out what hedge they are hiding behind. I'm as white as they come. I can't imagine what minorities have to put up with.

avs733 5y ago
I find this response really intriguing. We as citizens are perfectly capable of handling people lying to us...we do it with children, coworkers, salespeople, advertising, etc. Why is the standard response to fix the police. Obviously, they shouldn't lie, there should be consequences but the solutions don't start there. This works because people believe cops. Reporters take police reports as truth until proven otherwise. Juries (and judges) take the word of cops over the accused. The public generally treats things said by police as correct even despite evidence to the contrary. I would posit that we are the problem because the actions of the cops don't work unless we presume they are telling the truth. Fix the cops, sure, of course (especially 2, disarm them). But fix our society's interaction with them as well.
- AnthonyMouse 5y ago
  > I would posit that we are the problem because the actions of the cops don't work unless we presume they are telling the truth. The problem is that we've built the entire system on the assumption that we can believe them. Admit that assumption could be wrong and it all falls apart. Suppose the cops say they found drugs on you. You say they planted them. If we believe the cops, you go to jail. If we admit that there have been documented cases of cops planting drugs on people and call that reasonable doubt, nobody goes to jail. You can't have laws against drug possession, or anything else where you don't at least have a victim to corroborate what the police are alleging. Which is presumably what we need to do, but now we have to fight all the people who want to make it illegal to possess anything that crooked cops could plant on you.
  - netizen-936824 5y ago
    We shouldn't have laws prohibiting drugs in the first place, that's part of the problem. Prohibition didn't work for alcohol and it doesn't work for any of the other drugs. It only leads to corruption and organized crime.
worik 5y ago
IMO you have the wrong idea You do not want police to be "Sociologists, and Psychologists". That is what social workers are for. A lot of police work is drudgery. So do not ask them to all be qualified with college degrees. It should be a job any honest person can do. I get your fed up ness with the current set up, but rethink what policing is, what it is for, and why is a better approach than to make police do even more (social work) Here in Aotearoa the top police officer (we have a national system, generally) is big on "policing with consent". It means that the community must support the police for them to be effective. It is a big change for us, and it may not stick. The last commissioner put paramilitary police with automatic rifles into Māori communities (poor and coloured). Not long ago teh police and "Māori gangs" would have what amounted to set piece brawls on a semi regular basis. I still hate the fucking pigs, but I am old and grey. Perhaps the next generation will do better, here
BalinKing 5y ago
> Dissuade military personal, including veterans, from thinking they have a job waiting for themselfs after their stint is up. (We do not need miitiary trained soldiers. We need Sociologists, and Psychologists.) I seem to remember a high-profile case where a veteran was calm under pressure and didn't shoot a suspect (even when he would be legally justified to do so). That's obviously only one data point, but it's enough to make me question this assertion at face value.
- x86_64Ubuntu 5y ago
  You're talking about this incident here: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/west-virginia-cop-fired-after-not-shooting-suicidal-man-sues-n756976 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/west-virginia-cop-fired...
siva7 5y ago
In many western european states the training to become a cop requires a 3-year academic stint at police school. The bar seems much lower in the united states.

avs733 5y ago

I find this response really intriguing. We as citizens are perfectly capable of handling people lying to us...we do it with children, coworkers, salespeople, advertising, etc. Why is the standard response to fix the police. Obviously, they shouldn't lie, there should be consequences but the solutions don't start there. This works because people believe cops. Reporters take police reports as truth until proven otherwise. Juries (and judges) take the word of cops over the accused. The public generally treats things said by police as correct even despite evidence to the contrary. I would posit that we are the problem because the actions of the cops don't work unless we presume they are telling the truth. Fix the cops, sure, of course (especially 2, disarm them). But fix our society's interaction with them as well.

AnthonyMouse 5y ago
> I would posit that we are the problem because the actions of the cops don't work unless we presume they are telling the truth. The problem is that we've built the entire system on the assumption that we can believe them. Admit that assumption could be wrong and it all falls apart. Suppose the cops say they found drugs on you. You say they planted them. If we believe the cops, you go to jail. If we admit that there have been documented cases of cops planting drugs on people and call that reasonable doubt, nobody goes to jail. You can't have laws against drug possession, or anything else where you don't at least have a victim to corroborate what the police are alleging. Which is presumably what we need to do, but now we have to fight all the people who want to make it illegal to possess anything that crooked cops could plant on you.
- netizen-936824 5y ago
  We shouldn't have laws prohibiting drugs in the first place, that's part of the problem. Prohibition didn't work for alcohol and it doesn't work for any of the other drugs. It only leads to corruption and organized crime.

worik 5y ago

IMO you have the wrong idea You do not want police to be "Sociologists, and Psychologists". That is what social workers are for. A lot of police work is drudgery. So do not ask them to all be qualified with college degrees. It should be a job any honest person can do. I get your fed up ness with the current set up, but rethink what policing is, what it is for, and why is a better approach than to make police do even more (social work) Here in Aotearoa the top police officer (we have a national system, generally) is big on "policing with consent". It means that the community must support the police for them to be effective. It is a big change for us, and it may not stick. The last commissioner put paramilitary police with automatic rifles into Māori communities (poor and coloured). Not long ago teh police and "Māori gangs" would have what amounted to set piece brawls on a semi regular basis. I still hate the fucking pigs, but I am old and grey. Perhaps the next generation will do better, here

BalinKing 5y ago

> Dissuade military personal, including veterans, from thinking they have a job waiting for themselfs after their stint is up. (We do not need miitiary trained soldiers. We need Sociologists, and Psychologists.) I seem to remember a high-profile case where a veteran was calm under pressure and didn't shoot a suspect (even when he would be legally justified to do so). That's obviously only one data point, but it's enough to make me question this assertion at face value.

x86_64Ubuntu 5y ago
You're talking about this incident here: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/west-virginia-cop-fired-after-not-shooting-suicidal-man-sues-n756976 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/west-virginia-cop-fired...

siva7 5y ago

In many western european states the training to become a cop requires a 3-year academic stint at police school. The bar seems much lower in the united states.