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A natural outcome of police being above the law. YouTube is full of videos of police caught planting evidence. You’d think it would destroy all police credibi

A natural outcome of police being above the law. YouTube is full of videos of police caught planting evidence. You’d think it would destroy all police credibility everywhere but that doesn’t seem to be the case. Check out this example: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_RSsGqhhXMU https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_RSsGqhhXMU

toiletaccount 5y ago
Look up mumia abu jamal. My memory is hazy, but tldr he's a black panther in the 70s in philly and a cop gets shot on the same block while he's there. every bit of evidence is against him being the perp, and the courts even acknowledged the police tampered with evidence (!!!), but he just managed to get a death penalty commuted or some stupid shit like that, to a life sentence about 10 years ago. don't get tangled up in the criminal court system if he cops do toilet you.
pope_meat 5y ago
They do a good job protecting the property of the wealthy by harassing the "undesirables" to move to designated areas, and that's why certain parts of town are "ghetto". It's a bit of an unspoken rule that as long as the dirty peasants stay in the ghetto they'll be less likely to be harassed. You generally won't be asked where you're going or why in the sketchy part of town, but looking the wrong way and straying in to a nicer part of town... you'll have 3 cruisers on you in 5 minutes. As long as the police have the support of the upper class, it doesn't matter that the majority of us have lost all faith in the police.
- wpietri 5y ago
  You might be interested to read the book Sundown Towns: https://thenewpress.com/books/sundown-towns https://thenewpress.com/books/sundown-towns The author shows via census data and historical research that there were towns all over America where Black people weren't allowed after sundown. This happened from the end of Reconstruction up to the civil rights era. A large amount of that was never documented, so we don't know the mechanisms. But for the places where it was, this ethnic cleansing was often directly enforced by the police or tacitly supported by them when they ignored white intimidation and violence. Growing up in western Michigan, I had never heard of this. But it turns out many towns I was familiar with were examples of it.
  - pope_meat 5y ago
    It ain't quite history yet. https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2021/08/26/sundown-towns-black-travel https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2021/08/26/sundown-towns-bla...
    - wpietri 5y ago
      Ooh, thanks. I have a copy of a Green Book and it's very sobering to try to plan a road trip with it. I'm excited to check out her book.
x86_64Ubuntu 5y ago
That particular incident was debunked, why MJ is illegal is a whole another story. The following incident here: https://youtu.be/FChlMRFEZWQ?t=180 https://youtu.be/FChlMRFEZWQ?t=180 shows cops planting MJ after searching the car when they don't find anything. And as always, the internal affairs division finds no evidence of wrongdoing and the officers are still on patrol.
xmprt 5y ago
What you're talking about is an issue but I'd suggest deleting this or updating it to a more accurate example. This case was debunked a while back. The cops removed an item from their car and put it back after realizing that it was nothing. The victims of the search weren't charged with anything to begin with (why would the cops plant evidence that they weren't going to "find" later to charge them with). I actually have to give props to this department for how quickly and how well they responded to this situation and how the cops didn't escalate things when the driver started shouting about the bag to the cop. It's kind of the bare minimum but I guess that's what we've come to expect. I also hope the department will be as quick with responding in cases where the cops actually did make a mistake but I don't have high hopes.
ramchip 5y ago
"Fact Check-Video does not show U.S. police planting evidence" https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-video-evidence-idUSL1N2PB0LH https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-video-evidence-idU... I'm sure there's real cases of course, just this one isn't a good example...
- stopping 5y ago
  This is a better example, which also illustrates that planting evidence is a criminal offense: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UANRvFNc0hw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UANRvFNc0hw And to GP's point, here's an NYT investigation into a suspicious arrest from 2018: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrfZuPFrH8A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrfZuPFrH8A

toiletaccount 5y ago

Look up mumia abu jamal. My memory is hazy, but tldr he's a black panther in the 70s in philly and a cop gets shot on the same block while he's there. every bit of evidence is against him being the perp, and the courts even acknowledged the police tampered with evidence (!!!), but he just managed to get a death penalty commuted or some stupid shit like that, to a life sentence about 10 years ago. don't get tangled up in the criminal court system if he cops do toilet you.

pope_meat 5y ago

They do a good job protecting the property of the wealthy by harassing the "undesirables" to move to designated areas, and that's why certain parts of town are "ghetto". It's a bit of an unspoken rule that as long as the dirty peasants stay in the ghetto they'll be less likely to be harassed. You generally won't be asked where you're going or why in the sketchy part of town, but looking the wrong way and straying in to a nicer part of town... you'll have 3 cruisers on you in 5 minutes. As long as the police have the support of the upper class, it doesn't matter that the majority of us have lost all faith in the police.

wpietri 5y ago
You might be interested to read the book Sundown Towns: https://thenewpress.com/books/sundown-towns https://thenewpress.com/books/sundown-towns The author shows via census data and historical research that there were towns all over America where Black people weren't allowed after sundown. This happened from the end of Reconstruction up to the civil rights era. A large amount of that was never documented, so we don't know the mechanisms. But for the places where it was, this ethnic cleansing was often directly enforced by the police or tacitly supported by them when they ignored white intimidation and violence. Growing up in western Michigan, I had never heard of this. But it turns out many towns I was familiar with were examples of it.
- pope_meat 5y ago
  It ain't quite history yet. https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2021/08/26/sundown-towns-black-travel https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2021/08/26/sundown-towns-bla...
  - wpietri 5y ago
    Ooh, thanks. I have a copy of a Green Book and it's very sobering to try to plan a road trip with it. I'm excited to check out her book.

x86_64Ubuntu 5y ago

That particular incident was debunked, why MJ is illegal is a whole another story. The following incident here: https://youtu.be/FChlMRFEZWQ?t=180 https://youtu.be/FChlMRFEZWQ?t=180 shows cops planting MJ after searching the car when they don't find anything. And as always, the internal affairs division finds no evidence of wrongdoing and the officers are still on patrol.

xmprt 5y ago

What you're talking about is an issue but I'd suggest deleting this or updating it to a more accurate example. This case was debunked a while back. The cops removed an item from their car and put it back after realizing that it was nothing. The victims of the search weren't charged with anything to begin with (why would the cops plant evidence that they weren't going to "find" later to charge them with). I actually have to give props to this department for how quickly and how well they responded to this situation and how the cops didn't escalate things when the driver started shouting about the bag to the cop. It's kind of the bare minimum but I guess that's what we've come to expect. I also hope the department will be as quick with responding in cases where the cops actually did make a mistake but I don't have high hopes.

ramchip 5y ago

"Fact Check-Video does not show U.S. police planting evidence" https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-video-evidence-idUSL1N2PB0LH https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-video-evidence-idU... I'm sure there's real cases of course, just this one isn't a good example...

stopping 5y ago
This is a better example, which also illustrates that planting evidence is a criminal offense: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UANRvFNc0hw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UANRvFNc0hw And to GP's point, here's an NYT investigation into a suspicious arrest from 2018: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrfZuPFrH8A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrfZuPFrH8A