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Handing over what will undoubtedly become a kill list to our sworn enemy is beyond anything i could have ever imagined.

lettergram 5y ago
More than that, they’re still on the terrorist list. This is quite literally treason by definition. We literally handed over our allies, I don’t know how you recover from this. This isn’t just US citizens, it’s British, Afghan, French, etc etc... I am honestly just hoping we don’t see Ukraine and Taiwan fall within the next 60-120 days.
- LurkingPenguin 5y ago
  China isn't capable of taking Taiwan within that timeframe, but I'm afraid it could happen a lot sooner than the "experts" in the US expect. The US still has the most fearsome military the world has ever seen, but Afghanistan has demonstrated that the people at the top are not anywhere near as smart and capable as they think they are. That's a dangerous combination.
  - thepasswordis 5y ago
    If China wants Taiwan, now is the time to take it. Americans have absolutely 0 appetite for war at the moment (certainly not if we aren't attacked directly), and the fighting force has a disdain for their leadership, whose arrogance and incompetence just saw 13 of their brothers killed in a single day.
    - LurkingPenguin 5y ago
      An amphibious invasion of Taiwan will require months of build-up (that would be visible on satellite) and there are only a few windows during the year in which it could take place because of conditions in the Taiwan Strait. Such an invasion would be a binary event. If China fails, it's game over for the CCP. Not the kind of risk they're known for taking. If anything, I think Afghanistan will only increase Beijing's belief that America's decline is accelerating and it will eventually be able to get what it wants without a head-on kinetic conflict with the US. I've always thought a more likely scenario would be for China to first take Kinmen, which is trivially easy. The US is not going to risk WW3 over Kinmen and it would only be a symbolic victory, but it would put the US and Taiwan leadership in a very tough place.
    - scottLobster 5y ago
      Taiwan has semiconductors and is an actual ally against China. Afghanistan was a politically toxic occupation without a purpose. If China thinks America looks at Taiwan the same as Afghanistan they've got another thing coming. Granted strategic incompetence seems to be the flavor of the moment, so who knows?
    - ceejayoz 5y ago
      > 13 of their brothers 11. Two servicewomen were killed.
- qrwe432 5y ago
  Taiwan is an entire different conversation. Close to them, it look like right now we have most major deployments of several powerful military forces. Yellow Sea is currently Not The Place to frak it up. I don't think China won't have this in mind when thinking "hey, we're taking Taiwan as of now".
qrwe432 5y ago
I can't imagine this as anything else than a military intelligence operation to delay / complicate an otherwise probably faster dangerous approach to local supporters of US. Like salting passwords. https://cyberhoot.com/cybrary/password-salting/ https://cyberhoot.com/cybrary/password-salting/ Taliban has a lot of experience, and by now they are probably sure they got lots of disinformation in their hands, and they can't act on it without triple-checks, case-by-case. This is a working example of 4th. gen warfare, and it looks like US+NATO folks there are running the ops flawlessly, bad guys can't go faster.

More than that, they’re still on the terrorist list. This is quite literally treason by definition. We literally handed over our allies, I don’t know how you recover from this. This isn’t just US citizens, it’s British, Afghan, French, etc etc... I am honestly just hoping we don’t see Ukraine and Taiwan fall within the next 60-120 days.

LurkingPenguin 5y ago
China isn't capable of taking Taiwan within that timeframe, but I'm afraid it could happen a lot sooner than the "experts" in the US expect. The US still has the most fearsome military the world has ever seen, but Afghanistan has demonstrated that the people at the top are not anywhere near as smart and capable as they think they are. That's a dangerous combination.
- thepasswordis 5y ago
  If China wants Taiwan, now is the time to take it. Americans have absolutely 0 appetite for war at the moment (certainly not if we aren't attacked directly), and the fighting force has a disdain for their leadership, whose arrogance and incompetence just saw 13 of their brothers killed in a single day.
  - LurkingPenguin 5y ago
    An amphibious invasion of Taiwan will require months of build-up (that would be visible on satellite) and there are only a few windows during the year in which it could take place because of conditions in the Taiwan Strait. Such an invasion would be a binary event. If China fails, it's game over for the CCP. Not the kind of risk they're known for taking. If anything, I think Afghanistan will only increase Beijing's belief that America's decline is accelerating and it will eventually be able to get what it wants without a head-on kinetic conflict with the US. I've always thought a more likely scenario would be for China to first take Kinmen, which is trivially easy. The US is not going to risk WW3 over Kinmen and it would only be a symbolic victory, but it would put the US and Taiwan leadership in a very tough place.
  - scottLobster 5y ago
    Taiwan has semiconductors and is an actual ally against China. Afghanistan was a politically toxic occupation without a purpose. If China thinks America looks at Taiwan the same as Afghanistan they've got another thing coming. Granted strategic incompetence seems to be the flavor of the moment, so who knows?
  - ceejayoz 5y ago
    > 13 of their brothers 11. Two servicewomen were killed.
qrwe432 5y ago
Taiwan is an entire different conversation. Close to them, it look like right now we have most major deployments of several powerful military forces. Yellow Sea is currently Not The Place to frak it up. I don't think China won't have this in mind when thinking "hey, we're taking Taiwan as of now".

qrwe432 5y ago

I can't imagine this as anything else than a military intelligence operation to delay / complicate an otherwise probably faster dangerous approach to local supporters of US. Like salting passwords. https://cyberhoot.com/cybrary/password-salting/ https://cyberhoot.com/cybrary/password-salting/ Taliban has a lot of experience, and by now they are probably sure they got lots of disinformation in their hands, and they can't act on it without triple-checks, case-by-case. This is a working example of 4th. gen warfare, and it looks like US+NATO folks there are running the ops flawlessly, bad guys can't go faster.