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It was not because uncensored content. It was bastly superior because there was a lack of comercialization. Before SEO, before targeted ads, an internet made by

It was not because uncensored content. It was bastly superior because there was a lack of comercialization. Before SEO, before targeted ads, an internet made by educacional institutions and people with hobbies. Nowadays allow everybody to post anything and you will only see SPAM for the rest of you life, it will become impossible to see anything of value.

rnd0 5y ago
I'm not sure if I agree or disagree with you -you definitely have a point,though. From my point of view it's less commercial vs non-commercial (though I think most of the problems either stem from, or are aggravated by commercial factors) as much as it is diversity versus consolidation. Ten, fifteen years ago there was a greater number of varied forums and social gathering places with a greater number variety of viewpoints. Now while there's the odd vb bulliten board here and there you have fewer and fewer populated forums -everything seems to have coalescened (socially speaking) into twitter and facebook. Basically, from my point of view, Social Media has consumed the rest of the social internet (meaning forums). I think there's more than one cause for that but that's what I see as the main thing making the past superior to the present -the ability to not just have your own place, but to have a chance at it reaching out to more people than just you and your friends.
- thaumasiotes 5y ago
  > From my point of view it's less commercial vs non-commercial (though I think most of the problems either stem from, or are aggravated by commercial factors) as much as it is diversity versus consolidation. There is a case where I'm pretty sure commercialization is the problem. Phone app stores are modeled on Linux repositories. Linux repositories are good. App stores are awful. The problem is the level of interest from bad actors, and the reason they're interested is the commercialization.
  - rnd0 5y ago
    >There is a case where I'm pretty sure commercialization is the problem. It's a problem, and yes -a major one. But I think that it's just one of many factors contributing (negatively) to the situation.
- iamacyborg 5y ago
  > everything seems to have coalescened (socially speaking) into twitter and facebook. And Reddit and Discord. It is a monumentally difficult task to create a forum these days, from a social PoV.
  - rnd0 5y ago
    >It is a monumentally difficult task to create a forum these days, from a social PoV. and legal, and probably technical PoV as well; yes. The large platforms have sucked all of the oxygen out of the room, and have gained what I feel is an unhealthy control of what can and cannot be said. I have no idea what can be done to fix the situation; but none the less, there it is.
    - iamacyborg 5y ago
      From a technical perspective, forum software is easy enough to use.
      - rnd0 5y ago
        A technical perspective also includes mitigating denial of service attacks and other security issues, including scaling.

rnd0 5y ago

I'm not sure if I agree or disagree with you -you definitely have a point,though. From my point of view it's less commercial vs non-commercial (though I think most of the problems either stem from, or are aggravated by commercial factors) as much as it is diversity versus consolidation. Ten, fifteen years ago there was a greater number of varied forums and social gathering places with a greater number variety of viewpoints. Now while there's the odd vb bulliten board here and there you have fewer and fewer populated forums -everything seems to have coalescened (socially speaking) into twitter and facebook. Basically, from my point of view, Social Media has consumed the rest of the social internet (meaning forums). I think there's more than one cause for that but that's what I see as the main thing making the past superior to the present -the ability to not just have your own place, but to have a chance at it reaching out to more people than just you and your friends.

thaumasiotes 5y ago
> From my point of view it's less commercial vs non-commercial (though I think most of the problems either stem from, or are aggravated by commercial factors) as much as it is diversity versus consolidation. There is a case where I'm pretty sure commercialization is the problem. Phone app stores are modeled on Linux repositories. Linux repositories are good. App stores are awful. The problem is the level of interest from bad actors, and the reason they're interested is the commercialization.
- rnd0 5y ago
  >There is a case where I'm pretty sure commercialization is the problem. It's a problem, and yes -a major one. But I think that it's just one of many factors contributing (negatively) to the situation.
iamacyborg 5y ago
> everything seems to have coalescened (socially speaking) into twitter and facebook. And Reddit and Discord. It is a monumentally difficult task to create a forum these days, from a social PoV.
- rnd0 5y ago
  >It is a monumentally difficult task to create a forum these days, from a social PoV. and legal, and probably technical PoV as well; yes. The large platforms have sucked all of the oxygen out of the room, and have gained what I feel is an unhealthy control of what can and cannot be said. I have no idea what can be done to fix the situation; but none the less, there it is.
  - iamacyborg 5y ago
    From a technical perspective, forum software is easy enough to use.
    - rnd0 5y ago
      A technical perspective also includes mitigating denial of service attacks and other security issues, including scaling.