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Mortuaries fill, hospitals clog in rural California towns with low vaccination

69 points by belltaco 5y ago

sdze 5y ago
https://archive.is/lxVJV https://archive.is/lxVJV
simonw 5y ago
Here's a chart of cases over time in Del Norte county, based on the NY Times county data: https://covid-19.datasettes.com/covid/ny_times_us_counties?county__exact=Del+Norte&_sort_desc=date&_size=max#g.mark=bar&g.x_column=date&g.x_type=temporal&g.y_column=cases&g.y_type=quantitative https://covid-19.datasettes.com/covid/ny_times_us_counties?c... (Using a Datasette instance I've been running against Covid data since last year)
olliej 5y ago
Basically the anti science conservative portions of the state.
- jeffbee 5y ago
  Only 42% of Del Norte voted to seceded from California though, so they're not quite as backwards as their neighbors where "State of Jefferson" referenda have passed.
okareaman 5y ago
Sutter Hospital in Crescent City in Del Norte County is a bit of an outlier because it services Pelican Bay max security prison. A lot of families come from all over the state to visit their incarcerated family members. I don't know exactly what difference this makes, but I'm sure it makes some. https://krcrtv.com/north-coast-news/eureka-local-news/del-norte-reports-184-new-covid-19-cases-since-friday-over-400-cases-in-a-fortnight https://krcrtv.com/north-coast-news/eureka-local-news/del-no...
- hellbannedguy 5y ago
  I happened to look at San Quentin Covid rate for August. It was zero.
  - okareaman 5y ago
    I bet the inmates are required to be vaccinated and tested. The thing I'm noting is that family members are not and they come from all over, interacting with gas station employees, etc...
MattGaiser 5y ago
Stories like this happen going on since the beginning of the pandemic. I’m shocked at the number of people who casually skip over the body bags and refrigerated trailers to declare COVID to be vastly overblown.
- topspin 5y ago
  We're past shock. Shock was appropriate in early 2020, when there was no meaningful defense and bodies stacked up in coolers. Today there are effective vaccines that, when applied broadly, preclude this outcome. But there are intransigent demographics that won't act in their own interest and this is exactly what one should expect.
- toomuchtodo 5y ago
  Check out the content in https://reddit.com/r/COVIDAteMyFace https://reddit.com/r/COVIDAteMyFace It’s morbid, for sure, but eye opening (ignore the distasteful comments sections, focus on the post content; posted to provide some semblance of insight into the unvaccinated’s take on COVID after unsuccessful outcomes). My ~90 year old grandmother refuses to get vaccinated due to misinformation on a major news network. She asked me if I get my flu shot, and why bother with a vaccine if it’s only good for 8 months. Local hospital ICUs are at capacity. No amount of data or critical thinking will change her mind. She is upset she can’t travel or cruise without getting a vaccine. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  - deleted 5y ago
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  - Huwyt_Nashi_064 5y ago
    In fairness, there's no shortage of schadenfreude in the opposing echo chambers too. Plenty of obnoxious vaccine advocates suffering untimely deaths, miscarriages, strokes, etc.
  - Huwyt_Nashi_065 5y ago
    In fairness, there's no shortage of schadenfreude in the opposing echo chambers too. Plenty of obnoxious vaccine advocates suffering untimely deaths, miscarriages, strokes, etc.
standardUser 5y ago
Just another example of how Delta is tearing its way through the under-vaccinated parts of the country. But it's important to remember it isn't just "red states" that are susceptible, but really any conservative region, even in deep blue states. Meanwhile in NY, where nearly all restrictions have been lifted for months, the Delta wave has barely registered and the rate of new cases has flattened if not started to decline in recent weeks.
- Vrondi 5y ago
  This wave began in the south (and on the west coast), but it has been creeping up the map in recent weeks. You can see it spreading into southwestern PA now. The wave simply hasn't gotten to NY yet. It is coming.
  - standardUser 5y ago
    That sounds like you made it up off the top of your head. Care to show your work? In reality, Delta has been in NY for months... "Delta Now 97% of COVID Cases But Hospitalizations, Infection Rates Drop" https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/delta-now-97-of-nyc-covid-cases-but-hospitalizations-are-down-as-transmission-rates-drop-for-2nd-straight-week/3243859/ https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/delta-now-97-of-...
- jrockway 5y ago
  The Northeast seems to be doing better than the rest of the country, but it's still not zero risk. The first major breakthrough outbreaks were in the Northeast, and we're definitely not 100% vaccinated up here. (There isn't even a vaccine that's approved for 100% of the population!) Just looking out my window in Brooklyn, people in my neighborhood walk around outside with masks on. I gave that up a couple months ago, but I definitely feel like I'm on the losing side of that convention and people are probably judging me. (I still wear a mask indoors, of course, including in the common areas of my apartment building. The risk of transmission outdoors seems pretty low to me.) I think it's very dangerous to point fingers and say "haha, that can't happen to us". In the early days of the pandemic, that's what people said about New York. And they were right for several months -- that first wave that hit New York hard barely registered across the country. But now, those people are getting hit. COVID is spreading, and there is nothing stopping another variant -- perhaps one that doesn't care about vaccines at all, or one that kills kids. Now is not the time to glibly celebrate victory, or point the finger and laugh "look at how much worse those other states are than us". 600,000 Americans are dead from this pandemic, and the end is not in sight.
paulpauper 5y ago
Del Norte has a population of 30,000. I cannot imagine their mortuaries have much overflow capacity. 2800 cases is 10% of population, which is about the same as the national average. Its actually less. the us has 39 million cases, about 11.5% of pop infected.
- simonw 5y ago
  In terms of cases-per-million they rank 34th in CA, according to my reckoning: https://covid-19.datasettes.com/covid?sql=select%0D%0A++RANK+%28%29+OVER+%28%0D%0A++++ORDER+BY%0D%0A++++++cases_per_million%0D%0A++%29+rank%2C%0D%0A++county%2C%0D%0A++cases%2C%0D%0A++deaths%2C%0D%0A++population%2C%0D%0A++deaths_per_million%2C%0D%0A++cases_per_million%0D%0Afrom%0D%0A++latest_ny_times_counties_with_populations%0D%0Awhere%0D%0A++%22state%22+%3D+%3Ap0%0D%0Aorder+by%0D%0A++cases_per_million&p0=California https://covid-19.datasettes.com/covid?sql=select%0D%0A++RANK... But I always worry that factors like prison populations could distort cases-per-million numbers when you consider how small the population of a bunch of those counties are. Not to mention that comparing those kinds of numbers for counties with just a few thousand people to LA County (population: 10,039,107) doesn't make much sense at all.
lk3rg 5y ago
Look at all the commie fucks in this thread. Every last one of them sucking Mao's dick off.
lk3rg 5y ago
Muh covid!!! REEEEEEEEE Science!!!!!! RRRRREEEEEEEEE Orange man bad! Orange man Bad!
lk3rg 5y ago
Facts and science! Facts and science! Facts and science!
mjfl 5y ago
In these small towns I doubt mortuaries have a capacity much greater than 10 each.
goldforever 5y ago
Get rid of these fake news from HN - stick to tech, thats why all we're here.
kaminar 5y ago
Nobody understands...it's incessant distractions to keep everyone off balance...including Afghanistan...the major black Swan that is coming will make you forget all your nit picky squabbles...and Sars Food and water will be weaponized, and you won't be able to get any at any price...you've ignored the food shortage headlines so far...and you haven't prepared, so it's your fault...possible war in the far East too... Sep 5 Tyson foods is jacking up the price of chicken...
kaminar 5y ago
Openvaers.com
France_is_bacon 5y ago
>Mortuaries fill, hospitals clog in REPUBLICAN California towns with low vaccination See red vs blue: http://mapsof.net/uploads/static-maps/california_2004_presidential_vote_by_counties.png http://mapsof.net/uploads/static-maps/california_2004_presid...
rsynnott 5y ago
> Deaths in Del Norte County from COVID-19 have more than doubled in recent weeks, from 10 on Aug. 15 to 22 on Friday. Four people died in a single day, officials said. Apparently there are 27,000 people in Del Norte County. That's a terrifyingly high rate (about 1/day) now that vaccination of the elderly should now largely be done. In Ireland we have five million people and a persistently high rate of covid (~2k cases/day). Since over-65s were done, deaths have typically been 1-3 per day; the difference, I suppose, is that virtually all over-65s took the vaccine.

69 points by belltaco 5y ago

sdze 5y ago

https://archive.is/lxVJV https://archive.is/lxVJV

Here's a chart of cases over time in Del Norte county, based on the NY Times county data: https://covid-19.datasettes.com/covid/ny_times_us_counties?county__exact=Del+Norte&_sort_desc=date&_size=max#g.mark=bar&g.x_column=date&g.x_type=temporal&g.y_column=cases&g.y_type=quantitative https://covid-19.datasettes.com/covid/ny_times_us_counties?c... (Using a Datasette instance I've been running against Covid data since last year)

olliej 5y ago

Basically the anti science conservative portions of the state.

jeffbee 5y ago
Only 42% of Del Norte voted to seceded from California though, so they're not quite as backwards as their neighbors where "State of Jefferson" referenda have passed.

okareaman 5y ago

Sutter Hospital in Crescent City in Del Norte County is a bit of an outlier because it services Pelican Bay max security prison. A lot of families come from all over the state to visit their incarcerated family members. I don't know exactly what difference this makes, but I'm sure it makes some. https://krcrtv.com/north-coast-news/eureka-local-news/del-norte-reports-184-new-covid-19-cases-since-friday-over-400-cases-in-a-fortnight https://krcrtv.com/north-coast-news/eureka-local-news/del-no...

hellbannedguy 5y ago
I happened to look at San Quentin Covid rate for August. It was zero.
- okareaman 5y ago
  I bet the inmates are required to be vaccinated and tested. The thing I'm noting is that family members are not and they come from all over, interacting with gas station employees, etc...

MattGaiser 5y ago

Stories like this happen going on since the beginning of the pandemic. I’m shocked at the number of people who casually skip over the body bags and refrigerated trailers to declare COVID to be vastly overblown.

topspin 5y ago
We're past shock. Shock was appropriate in early 2020, when there was no meaningful defense and bodies stacked up in coolers. Today there are effective vaccines that, when applied broadly, preclude this outcome. But there are intransigent demographics that won't act in their own interest and this is exactly what one should expect.
toomuchtodo 5y ago
Check out the content in https://reddit.com/r/COVIDAteMyFace https://reddit.com/r/COVIDAteMyFace It’s morbid, for sure, but eye opening (ignore the distasteful comments sections, focus on the post content; posted to provide some semblance of insight into the unvaccinated’s take on COVID after unsuccessful outcomes). My ~90 year old grandmother refuses to get vaccinated due to misinformation on a major news network. She asked me if I get my flu shot, and why bother with a vaccine if it’s only good for 8 months. Local hospital ICUs are at capacity. No amount of data or critical thinking will change her mind. She is upset she can’t travel or cruise without getting a vaccine. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- deleted 5y ago
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- Huwyt_Nashi_064 5y ago
  In fairness, there's no shortage of schadenfreude in the opposing echo chambers too. Plenty of obnoxious vaccine advocates suffering untimely deaths, miscarriages, strokes, etc.
- Huwyt_Nashi_065 5y ago
  In fairness, there's no shortage of schadenfreude in the opposing echo chambers too. Plenty of obnoxious vaccine advocates suffering untimely deaths, miscarriages, strokes, etc.

standardUser 5y ago

Just another example of how Delta is tearing its way through the under-vaccinated parts of the country. But it's important to remember it isn't just "red states" that are susceptible, but really any conservative region, even in deep blue states. Meanwhile in NY, where nearly all restrictions have been lifted for months, the Delta wave has barely registered and the rate of new cases has flattened if not started to decline in recent weeks.

Vrondi 5y ago
This wave began in the south (and on the west coast), but it has been creeping up the map in recent weeks. You can see it spreading into southwestern PA now. The wave simply hasn't gotten to NY yet. It is coming.
- standardUser 5y ago
  That sounds like you made it up off the top of your head. Care to show your work? In reality, Delta has been in NY for months... "Delta Now 97% of COVID Cases But Hospitalizations, Infection Rates Drop" https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/delta-now-97-of-nyc-covid-cases-but-hospitalizations-are-down-as-transmission-rates-drop-for-2nd-straight-week/3243859/ https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/delta-now-97-of-...
jrockway 5y ago
The Northeast seems to be doing better than the rest of the country, but it's still not zero risk. The first major breakthrough outbreaks were in the Northeast, and we're definitely not 100% vaccinated up here. (There isn't even a vaccine that's approved for 100% of the population!) Just looking out my window in Brooklyn, people in my neighborhood walk around outside with masks on. I gave that up a couple months ago, but I definitely feel like I'm on the losing side of that convention and people are probably judging me. (I still wear a mask indoors, of course, including in the common areas of my apartment building. The risk of transmission outdoors seems pretty low to me.) I think it's very dangerous to point fingers and say "haha, that can't happen to us". In the early days of the pandemic, that's what people said about New York. And they were right for several months -- that first wave that hit New York hard barely registered across the country. But now, those people are getting hit. COVID is spreading, and there is nothing stopping another variant -- perhaps one that doesn't care about vaccines at all, or one that kills kids. Now is not the time to glibly celebrate victory, or point the finger and laugh "look at how much worse those other states are than us". 600,000 Americans are dead from this pandemic, and the end is not in sight.

paulpauper 5y ago

Del Norte has a population of 30,000. I cannot imagine their mortuaries have much overflow capacity. 2800 cases is 10% of population, which is about the same as the national average. Its actually less. the us has 39 million cases, about 11.5% of pop infected.

simonw 5y ago
In terms of cases-per-million they rank 34th in CA, according to my reckoning: https://covid-19.datasettes.com/covid?sql=select%0D%0A++RANK+%28%29+OVER+%28%0D%0A++++ORDER+BY%0D%0A++++++cases_per_million%0D%0A++%29+rank%2C%0D%0A++county%2C%0D%0A++cases%2C%0D%0A++deaths%2C%0D%0A++population%2C%0D%0A++deaths_per_million%2C%0D%0A++cases_per_million%0D%0Afrom%0D%0A++latest_ny_times_counties_with_populations%0D%0Awhere%0D%0A++%22state%22+%3D+%3Ap0%0D%0Aorder+by%0D%0A++cases_per_million&p0=California https://covid-19.datasettes.com/covid?sql=select%0D%0A++RANK... But I always worry that factors like prison populations could distort cases-per-million numbers when you consider how small the population of a bunch of those counties are. Not to mention that comparing those kinds of numbers for counties with just a few thousand people to LA County (population: 10,039,107) doesn't make much sense at all.

lk3rg 5y ago

Look at all the commie fucks in this thread. Every last one of them sucking Mao's dick off.

lk3rg 5y ago

Muh covid!!! REEEEEEEEE Science!!!!!! RRRRREEEEEEEEE Orange man bad! Orange man Bad!

lk3rg 5y ago

Facts and science! Facts and science! Facts and science!

mjfl 5y ago

In these small towns I doubt mortuaries have a capacity much greater than 10 each.

goldforever 5y ago

Get rid of these fake news from HN - stick to tech, thats why all we're here.

kaminar 5y ago

Nobody understands...it's incessant distractions to keep everyone off balance...including Afghanistan...the major black Swan that is coming will make you forget all your nit picky squabbles...and Sars Food and water will be weaponized, and you won't be able to get any at any price...you've ignored the food shortage headlines so far...and you haven't prepared, so it's your fault...possible war in the far East too... Sep 5 Tyson foods is jacking up the price of chicken...

kaminar 5y ago

Openvaers.com

France_is_bacon 5y ago

>Mortuaries fill, hospitals clog in REPUBLICAN California towns with low vaccination See red vs blue: http://mapsof.net/uploads/static-maps/california_2004_presidential_vote_by_counties.png http://mapsof.net/uploads/static-maps/california_2004_presid...

rsynnott 5y ago

> Deaths in Del Norte County from COVID-19 have more than doubled in recent weeks, from 10 on Aug. 15 to 22 on Friday. Four people died in a single day, officials said. Apparently there are 27,000 people in Del Norte County. That's a terrifyingly high rate (about 1/day) now that vaccination of the elderly should now largely be done. In Ireland we have five million people and a persistently high rate of covid (~2k cases/day). Since over-65s were done, deaths have typically been 1-3 per day; the difference, I suppose, is that virtually all over-65s took the vaccine.