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No, because if the party you're messaging has iCloud backup on (a good chance), or is on Android, or has their device physically accessed somehow- a third party

No, because if the party you're messaging has iCloud backup on (a good chance), or is on Android, or has their device physically accessed somehow- a third party can read all of the messages that you sent them. There is no 'true privacy'

JadeNB 5y ago
> No, because if the party you're messaging has iCloud backup on (a good chance), or is on Android, or has their device physically accessed somehow- a third party can read all of the messages that you sent them. There is no 'true privacy' This is surely true no matter how strong the encryption scheme, though. If you share your content with anyone else, then your security is only as strong as theirs.
threeseed 5y ago
Messages are not stored in iCloud Backup by default. You have to explicitly enable it.
- ummonk 5y ago
  They are actually. iCloud backup stores the messages by default. If you go and set Messages to use iCloud sync, then they're synced end to end encrypted. Apple then removes the messages from the iCloud backup, and instead stores a backup of the end to end encryption key for Messages. If you want your messages to be truly inaccessible to Apple / agencies with warrants (and also unrecoverable after losing end to end encryption access), then you have to turn off iCloud backup. Apple's documentation needs to be a little clearer on this but the system is basically designed with the accurate notion that the biggest footgun for 90% of users is not "the government was able to access my messages with a warrant" but rather "I lost access to my end to end encrypted messages".
hammyhavoc 5y ago
What does Android have to do with anything?
- neurostimulant 5y ago
  Your messages delivered as standard unencrypted sms/mms instead of encrypted imessages.
  - hammyhavoc 5y ago
    What do you define as "standard" on Android when fragmentation is literally the defining point of Android? Bit of a broad stroke anyway.

JadeNB 5y ago

> No, because if the party you're messaging has iCloud backup on (a good chance), or is on Android, or has their device physically accessed somehow- a third party can read all of the messages that you sent them. There is no 'true privacy' This is surely true no matter how strong the encryption scheme, though. If you share your content with anyone else, then your security is only as strong as theirs.

threeseed 5y ago

Messages are not stored in iCloud Backup by default. You have to explicitly enable it.

ummonk 5y ago
They are actually. iCloud backup stores the messages by default. If you go and set Messages to use iCloud sync, then they're synced end to end encrypted. Apple then removes the messages from the iCloud backup, and instead stores a backup of the end to end encryption key for Messages. If you want your messages to be truly inaccessible to Apple / agencies with warrants (and also unrecoverable after losing end to end encryption access), then you have to turn off iCloud backup. Apple's documentation needs to be a little clearer on this but the system is basically designed with the accurate notion that the biggest footgun for 90% of users is not "the government was able to access my messages with a warrant" but rather "I lost access to my end to end encrypted messages".

hammyhavoc 5y ago

What does Android have to do with anything?

neurostimulant 5y ago
Your messages delivered as standard unencrypted sms/mms instead of encrypted imessages.
- hammyhavoc 5y ago
  What do you define as "standard" on Android when fragmentation is literally the defining point of Android? Bit of a broad stroke anyway.