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Because the vaccine is a risk factor on its own as well. Do you not agree with that?

JumpCrisscross 5y ago
> vaccine is a risk factor on its own as well We have evidence, in adults, of long-term effects from Covid. These effects aren't benign, either, e.g. permanent damage to the brain's grey matter. We have zero evidence of long-term side effects from the vaccine. Ceteris paribus, infection is riskier than vaccines to adults. (I can think of zero diseases for which the vaccines are fine for adults and harmful to children and whose infections are harmful for adults and fine for children.) This study is compelling evidence for creating an analog to the vaccine passport for the provably previously infected. It is not good evidence for intentional infection.
bluedevil2k 5y ago
No, not at all, if you understand how the vaccine works you wouldn’t either.
lamontcg 5y ago
The vaccine risk is strictly a subset of the viral risk. Getting the virus entails getting a lot more of the spike mRNA pumping out a lot more spike protein along with all the rest of the viral machinery and real infectious virions, infecting more cells than just in the muscle of your arm, attacking your heart, lungs, kidneys, etc. Getting the virus is always going to be worse, for everyone, than getting the vaccine. Which is also why people refusing to get the vaccine because they've been infected is dumb, because they already beat everything in the vaccine.
- rddlob 5y ago
  It isn't a strict subset. Vaccine risk includes cellular expression of spike protein in a scattershot way throughout your circulatory system (mRNA vaccine). Viral infection expresses whole virus, not just sprotein, and isn't targeted at or tramitted through the circulatory system, but instead the respiratory system. There are differences, and s-protein expression may trigger mild autoimmune disorders.
  - lamontcg 5y ago
    You've got that backwards, the virus spreads through the bloodstream and produces thrombosis and thrombocytopenia. It isn't "scattershot" its more multi-organ "carpet bombing". And it kills through causing major autoimmune reactions, and even when patients live can causes several permanent autoimmune issues (diabetes, etc).

> vaccine is a risk factor on its own as well We have evidence, in adults, of long-term effects from Covid. These effects aren't benign, either, e.g. permanent damage to the brain's grey matter. We have zero evidence of long-term side effects from the vaccine. Ceteris paribus, infection is riskier than vaccines to adults. (I can think of zero diseases for which the vaccines are fine for adults and harmful to children and whose infections are harmful for adults and fine for children.) This study is compelling evidence for creating an analog to the vaccine passport for the provably previously infected. It is not good evidence for intentional infection.

bluedevil2k 5y ago

No, not at all, if you understand how the vaccine works you wouldn’t either.

lamontcg 5y ago

The vaccine risk is strictly a subset of the viral risk. Getting the virus entails getting a lot more of the spike mRNA pumping out a lot more spike protein along with all the rest of the viral machinery and real infectious virions, infecting more cells than just in the muscle of your arm, attacking your heart, lungs, kidneys, etc. Getting the virus is always going to be worse, for everyone, than getting the vaccine. Which is also why people refusing to get the vaccine because they've been infected is dumb, because they already beat everything in the vaccine.

rddlob 5y ago
It isn't a strict subset. Vaccine risk includes cellular expression of spike protein in a scattershot way throughout your circulatory system (mRNA vaccine). Viral infection expresses whole virus, not just sprotein, and isn't targeted at or tramitted through the circulatory system, but instead the respiratory system. There are differences, and s-protein expression may trigger mild autoimmune disorders.
- lamontcg 5y ago
  You've got that backwards, the virus spreads through the bloodstream and produces thrombosis and thrombocytopenia. It isn't "scattershot" its more multi-organ "carpet bombing". And it kills through causing major autoimmune reactions, and even when patients live can causes several permanent autoimmune issues (diabetes, etc).