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Not owning a car seems hard for anyone with a life more complicated than single office drone. I often need to stash kids equipment in the car for later pickup;

Not owning a car seems hard for anyone with a life more complicated than single office drone. I often need to stash kids equipment in the car for later pickup; we keep medicine and books in the car used often, strollers, umbrellas, not to mention car seats. That’s a lot of stuff to lug between Uber to Uber. People who play sports after work, sales folks traveling with merchandise, etc. cars are a home away from home in our lifestyles.

Closi 5y ago
IMO Society will adapt and people will find different solutions for these things. Take for instance two scenarios: * London - I used to live there and commute on the tube. Not everyone uses a car on a regular basis, except maybe to go to the supermarket. I didn't find it particularly hard to bring my sportswear in a bag and put a kindle in my jacket pocket. I assume New York is the same! * Amsterdam and The Hague - I used to travel to these cities often, and these societies exist almost entirely on bike. I have a car, but also manage to walk into work and not bring everything with me everywhere. It just seems like the assumption is "it will only work if it can support me doing exactly what I do now", but this sort of technology has the potential to completely change the way people work and live.
ghaff 5y ago
Also cars equipped with boat racks, bike racks—often fairly specialized for specific equipment. Loading up cars the night before for a trip. Could definitely make a difference at the margins in cities but you already have Uber. This might cut price in half? A lot of people seem to assume that this makes taxi rides almost too cheap to meter relative to owning a car or taking an Uber. And I'm pretty sure that's not true. You don't pay yourself to drive and the US IRS deduction for mileage is something like 50 cents per mile. That's probably a pretty good floor for a robo-taxi including the mileage it takes to get to you.
908B64B197 5y ago
Waymo might end up replacing the second car, or get someone to travel the last miles to public transportation for the daily commute.
- ghaff 5y ago
  The combination of ride-share, Zipcar, and traditional rentals (plus scattered improvements in public transit and bike infrastructure in some places) has already done that to some degree. It's not about the person who needs to get in a car every time they go somewhere from their house. It's about replacing the car that maybe gets driven once or twice a week.
jnwatson 5y ago
Lots of middle class folks from across the world have families and don't have cars. There are ways of life other than living in a SFH on a quarter acre an hour commute from work. It is quite possible and even more convenient to live in a place with walkable areas and good public transit.
novok 5y ago
TBH I think there are all solutions to that when you have a big enough fleet. Rent a cargo van, rent a car for the day for storage, more storage options at places, rent a car with car seats for several years and sport equipment racks. When family is over, automatically scale with 3 or 4 cars, etc. You could make specialized cars that would be way more convenient than the typical suv, but no person would keep as their permanent car configuration. I could see vans with roll in bike racks for example, which is more convenient than latching it on top of the typical suv sports rack for example. Groceries and other retail shopping I could see you just drop in the little cart drone and it gets to your house before you do, already in the pantry, etc. Grocery drones will be well insulated coolers, which is better than your typical suburban shopping trip freshness wise. No more melted ice cream anxiety when you remember something.
upbeat_general 5y ago
All these problems apply to anyone without a car anywhere. People in major cities with good transit systems figure it out, I don't see how this is any different. In fact, it's certainly preferable to a train/bike in terms of space to transport things.

Closi 5y ago

IMO Society will adapt and people will find different solutions for these things. Take for instance two scenarios: * London - I used to live there and commute on the tube. Not everyone uses a car on a regular basis, except maybe to go to the supermarket. I didn't find it particularly hard to bring my sportswear in a bag and put a kindle in my jacket pocket. I assume New York is the same! * Amsterdam and The Hague - I used to travel to these cities often, and these societies exist almost entirely on bike. I have a car, but also manage to walk into work and not bring everything with me everywhere. It just seems like the assumption is "it will only work if it can support me doing exactly what I do now", but this sort of technology has the potential to completely change the way people work and live.

ghaff 5y ago

Also cars equipped with boat racks, bike racks—often fairly specialized for specific equipment. Loading up cars the night before for a trip. Could definitely make a difference at the margins in cities but you already have Uber. This might cut price in half? A lot of people seem to assume that this makes taxi rides almost too cheap to meter relative to owning a car or taking an Uber. And I'm pretty sure that's not true. You don't pay yourself to drive and the US IRS deduction for mileage is something like 50 cents per mile. That's probably a pretty good floor for a robo-taxi including the mileage it takes to get to you.

908B64B197 5y ago

Waymo might end up replacing the second car, or get someone to travel the last miles to public transportation for the daily commute.

ghaff 5y ago
The combination of ride-share, Zipcar, and traditional rentals (plus scattered improvements in public transit and bike infrastructure in some places) has already done that to some degree. It's not about the person who needs to get in a car every time they go somewhere from their house. It's about replacing the car that maybe gets driven once or twice a week.

jnwatson 5y ago

Lots of middle class folks from across the world have families and don't have cars. There are ways of life other than living in a SFH on a quarter acre an hour commute from work. It is quite possible and even more convenient to live in a place with walkable areas and good public transit.

novok 5y ago

TBH I think there are all solutions to that when you have a big enough fleet. Rent a cargo van, rent a car for the day for storage, more storage options at places, rent a car with car seats for several years and sport equipment racks. When family is over, automatically scale with 3 or 4 cars, etc. You could make specialized cars that would be way more convenient than the typical suv, but no person would keep as their permanent car configuration. I could see vans with roll in bike racks for example, which is more convenient than latching it on top of the typical suv sports rack for example. Groceries and other retail shopping I could see you just drop in the little cart drone and it gets to your house before you do, already in the pantry, etc. Grocery drones will be well insulated coolers, which is better than your typical suburban shopping trip freshness wise. No more melted ice cream anxiety when you remember something.

upbeat_general 5y ago

All these problems apply to anyone without a car anywhere. People in major cities with good transit systems figure it out, I don't see how this is any different. In fact, it's certainly preferable to a train/bike in terms of space to transport things.