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A girl pleasuring herself isn’t the same thing as encouraging people to storm the White House and overthrow democracy, I’m confused why you would interpolate th

A girl pleasuring herself isn’t the same thing as encouraging people to storm the White House and overthrow democracy, I’m confused why you would interpolate the two. It is just more fuel for the argument that America has always been so uncomfortable and Puritan with sex and way too comfortable with violence.

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jsiepkes 5y ago
> A girl pleasuring herself isn’t the same thing as encouraging people to storm the White House and overthrow democracy That comparison doesn't work because calling to storm the Whitehouse is calling on people to perform an illegal act which is illegal by itself. I think everyone is in agreement that platforms should remove content that is illegal.
- wilde 5y ago
  The content that encouraged people to storm Congress didn’t contain overtly illegal overtures. And yet that’s what happened, relatively predictably from the scenario.
- FranksTV 5y ago
  I mean it does work, because that's exactly the difference they were pointing out.
- rvz 5y ago
  > I think everyone is in agreement that platforms should remove content that is illegal. Yes. Including child pornography that Twitter seems to find it difficult to remove off of their platform. [0] [1] [2] [0] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/6/30/india-twitter-kashmir-map-child-pornography https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/6/30/india-twitter-kashm... [1] https://www.courthousenews.com/judge-rules-twitter-can-be-sued-for-failing-to-take-down-child-porn-videos/ https://www.courthousenews.com/judge-rules-twitter-can-be-su... [2] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-20/twitter-faces-claim-it-benefited-from-child-sex-trafficking https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-20/twitter-f...
1MachineElf 5y ago
Calling on people to storm the capitol and over throw democracy isn't the same as protesting politicians who refuse to take allegations of election tampering seriously, and yet people with censorship powers keep insisting that the former is what January 6th was about.
- FranksTV 5y ago
  There is no credible evidence. Its an insane conspiracy theory. There were many, many lawsuits all of which were heard in court and ruled on.
  - 1MachineElf 5y ago
    >There were many, many lawsuits all of which were heard in court and ruled on. No. Most of those lawsuits were thrown out without rulings. Generally, not enough process was given to investigate these allegations, which is why half the country supported Trump on Jan 6 until things got violent and moderates got cold feet.
    - mindslight 5y ago
      Have you read any of the legal briefs? I read several of the prominent ones, and they all followed the same pattern of leading in with a bunch of easy facts but then jumping to completely unsupported conclusions (that were then used as political sound bites). The cases were summarily dismissed because they had no logical merit.
poisonborz 5y ago
What anyone with this argument doesn't understand is how censorship can't be comfortably shoehorned in these "morally understandable, accepted by everyone" categories. This false belief was a relic of the 80s-2000s. Shoehorning is very subjective of the current societal compass, and now that this breaks up to thousand pieces in online platforms, it fails us all.
OrvalWintermute 5y ago
While I am concerned about the coercive power of these platforms against speech they find unpopular, whether porn, or something else.... > A girl pleasuring herself isn’t the same thing as encouraging people to storm the White House and overthrow democracy Enough with the hyperbole, the FBI has already stated they found little evidence of a grand conspiracy to overthrow the govt [1], despite the fact we know that the Oathkeepers' leader is actually an FBI operative or informant [2] [1] https://www.salon.com/2021/08/20/fbi-finds-little-evidence-jan-6-insurrection-was-organized-attack-report/ https://www.salon.com/2021/08/20/fbi-finds-little-evidence-j... [2] https://www.revolver.news/2021/06/stewart-rhodes-oath-keepers-missing-link-fbi-unindicted-co-conspirator/ https://www.revolver.news/2021/06/stewart-rhodes-oath-keeper...
- sk55 5y ago
  From the article you linked, there was clearly coordinated groups trying to overtake: >The officials did note that far-right groups – like the Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, and Three Percenters – may have collaborated in breaching the Capitol on the day of the riot. These aren't scrubs either. Some of them are ex-military, armed civilians coordinating with other groups to breach the capitol and take hostages. This is not hyperbole, it's fact. Just because they didn't succeed doesn't mean it wasn't real.
  - qwytw 5y ago
    Then you might as well say that any riot or even a protest any of the people from these groups participate is an attempt to overthrow the government.
    - jasonjayr 5y ago
      They pushed through security, and accessed private offices, and destroy property, with the stated intent to stop the vote count. On Camera. This was not a protest or a riot, they intended to disrupt the normal order of governance.
      - 5y ago
giancarlostoro 5y ago
I dont think they were talking about January 6 posts. I have seen all manner of Facebook friends censored for speaking their thoughts on varying subject matters that have been politicized over time. Also seen friends banned off Twitter for literal shitposting. I miss the internet when it was mostly full of nerds. After smartphones it all went downhill.
- iratewizard 5y ago
  Summer never ended after 2008, sadly.
  - MrLeap 5y ago
    It's been eternally September since 1993.
  - giancarlostoro 5y ago
    Not sure why you're getting downvoted, but after smartphones it became clear the landscape of the internet changed drastically. Fore example today you can get a smartphone for under a hundred dollars. It might not perform the best, but it will get you on the internet. Hell, nowadays you can get hundred dollar laptops. Up till the late 2000's most people had to own a laptop or a desktop computer to get online, most phones charged up the nose for internet access if I remember correctly. Weirdly enough, had smartphones not became a thing, I think Facebook Games would of possibly become the next Steam. It's a shame Facebook couldnt get their Games to take off as big as it once did, they would of produced an entirely different company.
    - iratewizard 5y ago
      A bot downvotes the first post I make in every thread and has ever since I criticized the moderator Dang.
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ufmace 5y ago
Are you talking about the time that BLM tried to storm the White House? https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/secret-service-moved-trump-to-secure-bunker-friday-after-protesters-breached-temporary-fences-near-white-house-complex/2020/06/03/e4ae77c2-a5b9-11ea-b619-3f9133bbb482_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/secret-service-moved...
- enumjorge 5y ago
  Did you read your own article? A few people broke away from a peaceful protest and trespassed. In what reality is that even close to a huge mob breaking into the Capitol building with such force that they killed a cop and injured several others? Its also a bit of a non-sequitur to the thread’s discussion.
  - ufmace 5y ago
    I'd say your comment is a non-sequitur. Did you read the post that I responded to? He explicitly said the White House, not the Capitol. Nobody mentioned the Capitol except you. Speaking of, no cops were killed by the Capitol protestors. See https://www.cbsnews.com/news/brian-sicknick-capitol-riot-died-natural-causes/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/brian-sicknick-capitol-riot-die..., the medical examiner determined that he died of natural causes unrelated to his duties. Please don't spread fake news.
nailer 5y ago
You absolutely do not genuinely believe the white house rioters thought they were overthrowing democracy and this a plainly obvious straw man.
Kiro 5y ago
"A girl pleasure herself" is a gross simplification of a highly complex topic.

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jsiepkes 5y ago

> A girl pleasuring herself isn’t the same thing as encouraging people to storm the White House and overthrow democracy That comparison doesn't work because calling to storm the Whitehouse is calling on people to perform an illegal act which is illegal by itself. I think everyone is in agreement that platforms should remove content that is illegal.

wilde 5y ago
The content that encouraged people to storm Congress didn’t contain overtly illegal overtures. And yet that’s what happened, relatively predictably from the scenario.
FranksTV 5y ago
I mean it does work, because that's exactly the difference they were pointing out.
rvz 5y ago
> I think everyone is in agreement that platforms should remove content that is illegal. Yes. Including child pornography that Twitter seems to find it difficult to remove off of their platform. [0] [1] [2] [0] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/6/30/india-twitter-kashmir-map-child-pornography https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/6/30/india-twitter-kashm... [1] https://www.courthousenews.com/judge-rules-twitter-can-be-sued-for-failing-to-take-down-child-porn-videos/ https://www.courthousenews.com/judge-rules-twitter-can-be-su... [2] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-20/twitter-faces-claim-it-benefited-from-child-sex-trafficking https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-20/twitter-f...

1MachineElf 5y ago

Calling on people to storm the capitol and over throw democracy isn't the same as protesting politicians who refuse to take allegations of election tampering seriously, and yet people with censorship powers keep insisting that the former is what January 6th was about.

FranksTV 5y ago
There is no credible evidence. Its an insane conspiracy theory. There were many, many lawsuits all of which were heard in court and ruled on.
- 1MachineElf 5y ago
  >There were many, many lawsuits all of which were heard in court and ruled on. No. Most of those lawsuits were thrown out without rulings. Generally, not enough process was given to investigate these allegations, which is why half the country supported Trump on Jan 6 until things got violent and moderates got cold feet.
  - mindslight 5y ago
    Have you read any of the legal briefs? I read several of the prominent ones, and they all followed the same pattern of leading in with a bunch of easy facts but then jumping to completely unsupported conclusions (that were then used as political sound bites). The cases were summarily dismissed because they had no logical merit.

poisonborz 5y ago

What anyone with this argument doesn't understand is how censorship can't be comfortably shoehorned in these "morally understandable, accepted by everyone" categories. This false belief was a relic of the 80s-2000s. Shoehorning is very subjective of the current societal compass, and now that this breaks up to thousand pieces in online platforms, it fails us all.

OrvalWintermute 5y ago

While I am concerned about the coercive power of these platforms against speech they find unpopular, whether porn, or something else.... > A girl pleasuring herself isn’t the same thing as encouraging people to storm the White House and overthrow democracy Enough with the hyperbole, the FBI has already stated they found little evidence of a grand conspiracy to overthrow the govt [1], despite the fact we know that the Oathkeepers' leader is actually an FBI operative or informant [2] [1] https://www.salon.com/2021/08/20/fbi-finds-little-evidence-jan-6-insurrection-was-organized-attack-report/ https://www.salon.com/2021/08/20/fbi-finds-little-evidence-j... [2] https://www.revolver.news/2021/06/stewart-rhodes-oath-keepers-missing-link-fbi-unindicted-co-conspirator/ https://www.revolver.news/2021/06/stewart-rhodes-oath-keeper...

sk55 5y ago
From the article you linked, there was clearly coordinated groups trying to overtake: >The officials did note that far-right groups – like the Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, and Three Percenters – may have collaborated in breaching the Capitol on the day of the riot. These aren't scrubs either. Some of them are ex-military, armed civilians coordinating with other groups to breach the capitol and take hostages. This is not hyperbole, it's fact. Just because they didn't succeed doesn't mean it wasn't real.
- qwytw 5y ago
  Then you might as well say that any riot or even a protest any of the people from these groups participate is an attempt to overthrow the government.
  - jasonjayr 5y ago
    They pushed through security, and accessed private offices, and destroy property, with the stated intent to stop the vote count. On Camera. This was not a protest or a riot, they intended to disrupt the normal order of governance.
    - 5y ago

giancarlostoro 5y ago

I dont think they were talking about January 6 posts. I have seen all manner of Facebook friends censored for speaking their thoughts on varying subject matters that have been politicized over time. Also seen friends banned off Twitter for literal shitposting. I miss the internet when it was mostly full of nerds. After smartphones it all went downhill.

iratewizard 5y ago
Summer never ended after 2008, sadly.
- MrLeap 5y ago
  It's been eternally September since 1993.
- giancarlostoro 5y ago
  Not sure why you're getting downvoted, but after smartphones it became clear the landscape of the internet changed drastically. Fore example today you can get a smartphone for under a hundred dollars. It might not perform the best, but it will get you on the internet. Hell, nowadays you can get hundred dollar laptops. Up till the late 2000's most people had to own a laptop or a desktop computer to get online, most phones charged up the nose for internet access if I remember correctly. Weirdly enough, had smartphones not became a thing, I think Facebook Games would of possibly become the next Steam. It's a shame Facebook couldnt get their Games to take off as big as it once did, they would of produced an entirely different company.
  - iratewizard 5y ago
    A bot downvotes the first post I make in every thread and has ever since I criticized the moderator Dang.

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ufmace 5y ago

Are you talking about the time that BLM tried to storm the White House? https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/secret-service-moved-trump-to-secure-bunker-friday-after-protesters-breached-temporary-fences-near-white-house-complex/2020/06/03/e4ae77c2-a5b9-11ea-b619-3f9133bbb482_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/secret-service-moved...

enumjorge 5y ago
Did you read your own article? A few people broke away from a peaceful protest and trespassed. In what reality is that even close to a huge mob breaking into the Capitol building with such force that they killed a cop and injured several others? Its also a bit of a non-sequitur to the thread’s discussion.
- ufmace 5y ago
  I'd say your comment is a non-sequitur. Did you read the post that I responded to? He explicitly said the White House, not the Capitol. Nobody mentioned the Capitol except you. Speaking of, no cops were killed by the Capitol protestors. See https://www.cbsnews.com/news/brian-sicknick-capitol-riot-died-natural-causes/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/brian-sicknick-capitol-riot-die..., the medical examiner determined that he died of natural causes unrelated to his duties. Please don't spread fake news.

nailer 5y ago

You absolutely do not genuinely believe the white house rioters thought they were overthrowing democracy and this a plainly obvious straw man.

Kiro 5y ago

"A girl pleasure herself" is a gross simplification of a highly complex topic.