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It might be that you alluded to the term “natural immunity” which now comes with extra baggage. There seems to be a recent talking point for “natural immunity”

It might be that you alluded to the term “natural immunity” which now comes with extra baggage. There seems to be a recent talking point for “natural immunity”, and two of my [uk based!] friends who seem to end up on the wrong side of every issue are parroting this. They are somehow both tuned in to US YouTube talking heads, Tucker etc despite being in the UK. The message that is being pushed as I understand it is “let the virus rip” since if(!) you come through unscathed you will end up with better immunity? Maybe I misunderstand it but they both in a “anti covid vaxx” stance so I think that’s their reasoning - it is somehow better to take your chances with the virus than get the vaccine. Note that they are both engineers.

cies 5y ago
> it is somehow better to take your chances with the virus than get the vaccine. As i understand it that statement is more true when the age (and presence of comorbidities) of the subject goes down. <10y: why on earth would we vaccinate these people? >70y: why on earth not? Many of us are in the middle, and that means things are not that clear cut. I believe everyone should choose for themselves, as herd-immunity is off the table and outbreaks amoung the young do not cause much strain on the health care system.
- thebruce87m 5y ago
  I think it’s true age is a big factor, but I’m not sure if we can rule out young people from straining the healthcare system (depending on your definition of young or course). In Scotland this week we had 14 people under 10 admitted to hospital and 78 who were 70+. A big difference but not as big as you’d think. The distribution is also not concentrated around older age groups at the moment, it’s got significant numbers in all age groups: https://www.travellingtabby.com/scotland-coronavirus-tracker/ https://www.travellingtabby.com/scotland-coronavirus-tracker... Check “Hospital Admissions by Age Group”
  - totony 5y ago
    Hospital admission is not a good metric to go by, because they may be discharged/not occupy it for long. If you check death by age you see no one young died, suggesting the disease is more easy on them ajd they won't need to be 2 weeks in ICU.
    - thebruce87m 5y ago
      What would you suggest as a better metric?
      - totony 5y ago
        Hospital bed usage per cause would be a better one
Jeema101 5y ago
You could try the 'scared straight' approach and direct them to this thread on the /r/nursing subreddit about what other ICU nurses are seeing right now regarding unvaccinated Covid patients in the ICUs: https://www.reddit.com/r/nursing/comments/pbvcdu/uhh_are_any_of_these_unvaccinated_patients_in/ https://www.reddit.com/r/nursing/comments/pbvcdu/uhh_are_any... Some interesting quotes that stood out to me: "They’re dropping like flies in our ICU. 20- and 30-year-olds on vent and 99% of them unvaccinated." "There are really only 2 options we are seeing for patients here. -you die -you become permanently disabled. And they are sent to Rehab or Long Term Care" "Dialysis here. All my new patients in the past six months have had their kidneys damaged due to covid. All of them."

cies 5y ago

> it is somehow better to take your chances with the virus than get the vaccine. As i understand it that statement is more true when the age (and presence of comorbidities) of the subject goes down. <10y: why on earth would we vaccinate these people? >70y: why on earth not? Many of us are in the middle, and that means things are not that clear cut. I believe everyone should choose for themselves, as herd-immunity is off the table and outbreaks amoung the young do not cause much strain on the health care system.

thebruce87m 5y ago
I think it’s true age is a big factor, but I’m not sure if we can rule out young people from straining the healthcare system (depending on your definition of young or course). In Scotland this week we had 14 people under 10 admitted to hospital and 78 who were 70+. A big difference but not as big as you’d think. The distribution is also not concentrated around older age groups at the moment, it’s got significant numbers in all age groups: https://www.travellingtabby.com/scotland-coronavirus-tracker/ https://www.travellingtabby.com/scotland-coronavirus-tracker... Check “Hospital Admissions by Age Group”
- totony 5y ago
  Hospital admission is not a good metric to go by, because they may be discharged/not occupy it for long. If you check death by age you see no one young died, suggesting the disease is more easy on them ajd they won't need to be 2 weeks in ICU.
  - thebruce87m 5y ago
    What would you suggest as a better metric?
    - totony 5y ago
      Hospital bed usage per cause would be a better one

Jeema101 5y ago

You could try the 'scared straight' approach and direct them to this thread on the /r/nursing subreddit about what other ICU nurses are seeing right now regarding unvaccinated Covid patients in the ICUs: https://www.reddit.com/r/nursing/comments/pbvcdu/uhh_are_any_of_these_unvaccinated_patients_in/ https://www.reddit.com/r/nursing/comments/pbvcdu/uhh_are_any... Some interesting quotes that stood out to me: "They’re dropping like flies in our ICU. 20- and 30-year-olds on vent and 99% of them unvaccinated." "There are really only 2 options we are seeing for patients here. -you die -you become permanently disabled. And they are sent to Rehab or Long Term Care" "Dialysis here. All my new patients in the past six months have had their kidneys damaged due to covid. All of them."