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I often see people giving bread or other completely inappropriate food to birds in parcs or horses, chickens in small farms or ducks, swans, gallinules, fishes

I often see people giving bread or other completely inappropriate food to birds in parcs or horses, chickens in small farms or ducks, swans, gallinules, fishes in estuaries I think we can also raise the problem in people diet as well, it's quite related. Our ideal food is plant-based, vegetables, fruits, grains, seeds, leaves, bulbs (eating raw garlic is incredible), that's what we're designed for chewing and digesting since million years edit: I can understand my comment is unpopular since I'm saying most people diet is inappropriate as well, but instead of rage downvoting, try to phrase why you disagree

foxhop 5y ago
My teenage son is a picky eater, still thinks unbleached wheat bread sandwich crust tastes bad. I used to feel like it was a waste to toss, still felt bad to compost, now that I feed the crust to my hens and see how they light up, I no longer feel bad. As for garlic in the raw, I'm glad you can eat that, I can as well but my wife absolutely cannot eat garlic even though she does enjoy the taste. If you really love garlic check out this authentic Italian process and techniques in this video, I was pleasantly surprised: https://youtu.be/NTSxnC7vCRc https://youtu.be/NTSxnC7vCRc
- 11235813213455 5y ago
  I definitely prefer to eat garlic raw, you can let it in your mouth for a while, saliva will make it less strong. But cooking it is killing too much of its important macro-nutriments. I don't eat pastas or other starch because with experience I feel like they're "glueing" my digestive system and make digestion less efficient. My diet is mostly fruit currently (tons of free figs along my rides, persimmons, clementines, grapes), tomatoes from a local producer, all kind of edible plant leaves (e.g. common purslane, kale, onion leaves, leek leaves..), everything raw actually since many years. Even bell pepper, cucumbers, zucchinis I eat them "raw" (in quotes because technically fruits and this stuff are already somewhat cooked by the sun, and later by our digestive system), you can feel some taste that wouldn't exist anymore when they're cooked, it requires to chew more, and with time, the situation completely change, you don't like anymore cooked products It's great that you have a garden, I hope you'll grow some stuff. I was picky like your son when young, but fortunately I changed my diet later
  - sofixa 5y ago
    > I was picky like your son when young, but fortunately I changed my diet later That's a weird statement to make after describing how you only eat very peculiar food - raw leaves, fruit and some veggies. ( Who the heck eats cucumbers nom-raw?)
    - 11235813213455 5y ago
      right, I meant I'm not picky for the food I eat, I'll eat damaged fruit, some fresh ripe fruit from the tree with sometimes some little worms, I won't mind, or a bird bite, or one on the ground even if it looks fresh enough, that's what I meant by non-picky, not wasting stuff, eating cucumbers or zucchinis raw and with all the skin of course
    - PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago
      > Who the heck eats cucumbers nom-raw? pickles.
Dumblydorr 5y ago
Yeah, these downvotes are silly. My guess would be not rage but simple disagreement, neither of which justify downvotes. Raw garlic is very intense, I've never heard of eating that except minced in salsa. I'd also say we're not evolved for purely vegetable eating, we've had access to cooked meat from fire for probably 1-2 million years. This is one reason our brains expanded, because we gained access to richer foods like cooked meat with fat, which in turn supported more brain cognition.
- ipaddr 5y ago
  I use to use a lot of raw garlic mixing with mayo or potatoes or whatever.
- 11235813213455 5y ago
  > I'd also say we're not evolved for purely vegetable eating how come I can get all my necessary nutrients from it so? > This is one reason our brains expanded, because we gained access to richer foods like cooked meat with fat, which in turn supported more brain cognition. This also is interesting, it's definitely possible that at this time humans didn't have access to enough vegetable, it was pretty cold 1-2 million years ago, people like inuits obviously don't eat much plant-based food. Fire was an important step (for creating warmth at least), for cooking see this https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/food-for-thought-was-cooking-a-pivotal-step-in-human-evolution/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/food-for-thought-... which puts things more in relief In brief, you're putting 2 confounding factors together: brain size expansion and cooked meat. It's very likely that our environment challenges forced us to adapt and get more intelligent, but the causal effect you're saying is not true, just like any logical implication can't be reversed It's also fun because you are also implying "you'll be more clever by eating meat than vegetables" which is also wrong nowadays, just because we can't compare a situation that happened 1 million years ago in a different context.
  - amanaplanacanal 5y ago
    My understanding of the theory is that animals which subsist on greens have a huge gut to allow for fermentation to get the calories from the fiber in the plants. Eating meat allowed our brains to grow larger and gut to shrink, since meat is more calorie dense, and the brain consumes a lot of energy.
pvaldes 5y ago
> Our ideal food is plant-based This is a myth. We eat lots of cereals of course, but the longest living people are definitely ommnivorous and eat a lot of seafood also. We can survive on bread and water, but this is not ideal. Common people identify plant eaters with primitive, but is a mistake. Specialized plant eaters developped a lot of modern features. We don't have ever-growing teeth. We don't have a gut split in several specialized guts for housing fermenting bacteria. We don't have a sophisticated olfact sense to smell the plants and detect poisonous ones.
- Ensorceled 5y ago
  My favourite are the people who claim being a vegan is our natural state but eat fortified foods to get enough B12.
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Ensorceled 5y ago
> that's what we're designed for chewing and digesting since million years You’re being downvoted because this is just wrong. Humans aren’t “designed”, we evolved and we evolved as omnivores NOT for a plant based diet. I’m not saying we can’t switch to a plant based diet now, it is probably better for us and the planet; but this “humans are naturally vegan” is just silly.
- 11235813213455 5y ago
  Sure we are omnivore like most primates, and fortunately because some human sometimes don't have anything else to eat. And meat is often better and safer cooked. I eat fish sometimes, but very rarely (2-3x/year), it's not about vegan, it's about unprocessed food (fruits, and most vegetable don't need to be cooked, and it's drastically reducing their benefits to do it). I think it's something people have to experience in the long term before arguing against it. Yes people can survive eating processed food, but I'm just saying it's not optimal
  - amanaplanacanal 5y ago
    Your hypothesis seems to be that the invention of cooking made us unhealthier? That seems unlikely.
    - 11235813213455 5y ago
      Are you referring to the situation 1-2 millions years ago when human brain size expanded? The sitatuion back then and now are not comparable. Just like inuits don't eat much plant-based food, like I said they had no choice, they needed fire to warm themselves, they needed food, any food in their different climate at that time. We can't transpose this situation now, we can grow more various vegetables, we can get all the nutrients from them, and actually more than meat
AussieWog93 5y ago
I think you're being downvoted because you're giving non-mainstream health advice and acting as if it's sensible and obvious. Most people are used to hearing strange health advice from others and have developed strong "bullshit detector" instincts around this topic. "Eat raw garlic" would be a textbook example of this form of health advice, as it has an extremely unpleasant taste in any significant quantity and also makes you smell bad to others.
- Ensorceled 5y ago
  It’s dangerous health advice as well, going completely vegan without some planning can result in all sorts of health issues. Everyone should Google “vegan b12 deficiency” Plant based diets can be healthy but you’re putting nutritional yeast in a lot of meals.
  - 11235813213455 5y ago
    Yes switching too fast is dangerous for someone without a good vitality Of course people should do it gradually, and about b12 deficiency, someone eating mostly raw food will have lower levels (compared to the "health norm") but it's mostly because we need less of it, we can produce it naturally, and do so only when necessary. It's in French but someone like Florian Gomet explains this fact well. Why would I be deficient in b12 if my energy, digestion, and everything is going perfectly (someone "deficient" would not be able to accomplish what Florian Gomet did or just my life style since 10 years)? I'm asking you
    - rhn_mk1 5y ago
      I haven't been able to find any reputable sources about your claim "we can produce it naturally", which sets off my bullshit detector for your entire claim. You might be more successful if you support what you say with sources.
      - 11235813213455 5y ago
        > It (B12) is synthesized by some bacteria in the gut flora in humans and other animals https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B12#:~:text=It%20is%20synthesized%20by%20some%20bacteria%20in%20the%20gut%20flora%20in%20humans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B12#:~:text=It%20is%20... so yea not directly by us, but by our guts flora, you validate it?
VoodooJuJu 5y ago
>Our ideal food is... This is probably why you're getting downvotes; it's the idealism and certainty with which you determine a human's ideal diet. We cannot say with certainty what the ideal human diet is. And what's ideal for one group isn't ideal for another. For example: most Northern Europeans are adapted to digest fresh milk while East Asians are not. I can't say with certainty what the best human diet is. But I can say it is highly probable that the ideal human diet includes some meat, and it's highly probable that humans cannot thrive on a plants-only diet. This is evidenced by no plants-only diet peoples in existence today, other than vegans, which are a young group, untested by time. And time is the greatest filter. The longer something has been around, the higher the probability it is a good thing, and the higher the probability it will continue to stick around. And plant-only diet peoples haven't been around very long. Contrast that with peoples who eat meat, who have existed for millions of years.
- Ensorceled 5y ago
  Vegans must eat some foods enriched with b vitamins to survive so they are not really on a plants only diet either. An entirely raw food, plant only diet leads to a horrible death due to b12 deficiency.

foxhop 5y ago

My teenage son is a picky eater, still thinks unbleached wheat bread sandwich crust tastes bad. I used to feel like it was a waste to toss, still felt bad to compost, now that I feed the crust to my hens and see how they light up, I no longer feel bad. As for garlic in the raw, I'm glad you can eat that, I can as well but my wife absolutely cannot eat garlic even though she does enjoy the taste. If you really love garlic check out this authentic Italian process and techniques in this video, I was pleasantly surprised: https://youtu.be/NTSxnC7vCRc https://youtu.be/NTSxnC7vCRc

11235813213455 5y ago
I definitely prefer to eat garlic raw, you can let it in your mouth for a while, saliva will make it less strong. But cooking it is killing too much of its important macro-nutriments. I don't eat pastas or other starch because with experience I feel like they're "glueing" my digestive system and make digestion less efficient. My diet is mostly fruit currently (tons of free figs along my rides, persimmons, clementines, grapes), tomatoes from a local producer, all kind of edible plant leaves (e.g. common purslane, kale, onion leaves, leek leaves..), everything raw actually since many years. Even bell pepper, cucumbers, zucchinis I eat them "raw" (in quotes because technically fruits and this stuff are already somewhat cooked by the sun, and later by our digestive system), you can feel some taste that wouldn't exist anymore when they're cooked, it requires to chew more, and with time, the situation completely change, you don't like anymore cooked products It's great that you have a garden, I hope you'll grow some stuff. I was picky like your son when young, but fortunately I changed my diet later
- sofixa 5y ago
  > I was picky like your son when young, but fortunately I changed my diet later That's a weird statement to make after describing how you only eat very peculiar food - raw leaves, fruit and some veggies. ( Who the heck eats cucumbers nom-raw?)
  - 11235813213455 5y ago
    right, I meant I'm not picky for the food I eat, I'll eat damaged fruit, some fresh ripe fruit from the tree with sometimes some little worms, I won't mind, or a bird bite, or one on the ground even if it looks fresh enough, that's what I meant by non-picky, not wasting stuff, eating cucumbers or zucchinis raw and with all the skin of course
  - PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago
    > Who the heck eats cucumbers nom-raw? pickles.

Dumblydorr 5y ago

Yeah, these downvotes are silly. My guess would be not rage but simple disagreement, neither of which justify downvotes. Raw garlic is very intense, I've never heard of eating that except minced in salsa. I'd also say we're not evolved for purely vegetable eating, we've had access to cooked meat from fire for probably 1-2 million years. This is one reason our brains expanded, because we gained access to richer foods like cooked meat with fat, which in turn supported more brain cognition.

ipaddr 5y ago
I use to use a lot of raw garlic mixing with mayo or potatoes or whatever.
11235813213455 5y ago
> I'd also say we're not evolved for purely vegetable eating how come I can get all my necessary nutrients from it so? > This is one reason our brains expanded, because we gained access to richer foods like cooked meat with fat, which in turn supported more brain cognition. This also is interesting, it's definitely possible that at this time humans didn't have access to enough vegetable, it was pretty cold 1-2 million years ago, people like inuits obviously don't eat much plant-based food. Fire was an important step (for creating warmth at least), for cooking see this https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/food-for-thought-was-cooking-a-pivotal-step-in-human-evolution/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/food-for-thought-... which puts things more in relief In brief, you're putting 2 confounding factors together: brain size expansion and cooked meat. It's very likely that our environment challenges forced us to adapt and get more intelligent, but the causal effect you're saying is not true, just like any logical implication can't be reversed It's also fun because you are also implying "you'll be more clever by eating meat than vegetables" which is also wrong nowadays, just because we can't compare a situation that happened 1 million years ago in a different context.
- amanaplanacanal 5y ago
  My understanding of the theory is that animals which subsist on greens have a huge gut to allow for fermentation to get the calories from the fiber in the plants. Eating meat allowed our brains to grow larger and gut to shrink, since meat is more calorie dense, and the brain consumes a lot of energy.

pvaldes 5y ago

> Our ideal food is plant-based This is a myth. We eat lots of cereals of course, but the longest living people are definitely ommnivorous and eat a lot of seafood also. We can survive on bread and water, but this is not ideal. Common people identify plant eaters with primitive, but is a mistake. Specialized plant eaters developped a lot of modern features. We don't have ever-growing teeth. We don't have a gut split in several specialized guts for housing fermenting bacteria. We don't have a sophisticated olfact sense to smell the plants and detect poisonous ones.

Ensorceled 5y ago
My favourite are the people who claim being a vegan is our natural state but eat fortified foods to get enough B12.
- deleted 5y ago
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Ensorceled 5y ago

> that's what we're designed for chewing and digesting since million years You’re being downvoted because this is just wrong. Humans aren’t “designed”, we evolved and we evolved as omnivores NOT for a plant based diet. I’m not saying we can’t switch to a plant based diet now, it is probably better for us and the planet; but this “humans are naturally vegan” is just silly.

11235813213455 5y ago
Sure we are omnivore like most primates, and fortunately because some human sometimes don't have anything else to eat. And meat is often better and safer cooked. I eat fish sometimes, but very rarely (2-3x/year), it's not about vegan, it's about unprocessed food (fruits, and most vegetable don't need to be cooked, and it's drastically reducing their benefits to do it). I think it's something people have to experience in the long term before arguing against it. Yes people can survive eating processed food, but I'm just saying it's not optimal
- amanaplanacanal 5y ago
  Your hypothesis seems to be that the invention of cooking made us unhealthier? That seems unlikely.
  - 11235813213455 5y ago
    Are you referring to the situation 1-2 millions years ago when human brain size expanded? The sitatuion back then and now are not comparable. Just like inuits don't eat much plant-based food, like I said they had no choice, they needed fire to warm themselves, they needed food, any food in their different climate at that time. We can't transpose this situation now, we can grow more various vegetables, we can get all the nutrients from them, and actually more than meat

AussieWog93 5y ago

I think you're being downvoted because you're giving non-mainstream health advice and acting as if it's sensible and obvious. Most people are used to hearing strange health advice from others and have developed strong "bullshit detector" instincts around this topic. "Eat raw garlic" would be a textbook example of this form of health advice, as it has an extremely unpleasant taste in any significant quantity and also makes you smell bad to others.

Ensorceled 5y ago
It’s dangerous health advice as well, going completely vegan without some planning can result in all sorts of health issues. Everyone should Google “vegan b12 deficiency” Plant based diets can be healthy but you’re putting nutritional yeast in a lot of meals.
- 11235813213455 5y ago
  Yes switching too fast is dangerous for someone without a good vitality Of course people should do it gradually, and about b12 deficiency, someone eating mostly raw food will have lower levels (compared to the "health norm") but it's mostly because we need less of it, we can produce it naturally, and do so only when necessary. It's in French but someone like Florian Gomet explains this fact well. Why would I be deficient in b12 if my energy, digestion, and everything is going perfectly (someone "deficient" would not be able to accomplish what Florian Gomet did or just my life style since 10 years)? I'm asking you
  - rhn_mk1 5y ago
    I haven't been able to find any reputable sources about your claim "we can produce it naturally", which sets off my bullshit detector for your entire claim. You might be more successful if you support what you say with sources.
    - 11235813213455 5y ago
      > It (B12) is synthesized by some bacteria in the gut flora in humans and other animals https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B12#:~:text=It%20is%20synthesized%20by%20some%20bacteria%20in%20the%20gut%20flora%20in%20humans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B12#:~:text=It%20is%20... so yea not directly by us, but by our guts flora, you validate it?

VoodooJuJu 5y ago

>Our ideal food is... This is probably why you're getting downvotes; it's the idealism and certainty with which you determine a human's ideal diet. We cannot say with certainty what the ideal human diet is. And what's ideal for one group isn't ideal for another. For example: most Northern Europeans are adapted to digest fresh milk while East Asians are not. I can't say with certainty what the best human diet is. But I can say it is highly probable that the ideal human diet includes some meat, and it's highly probable that humans cannot thrive on a plants-only diet. This is evidenced by no plants-only diet peoples in existence today, other than vegans, which are a young group, untested by time. And time is the greatest filter. The longer something has been around, the higher the probability it is a good thing, and the higher the probability it will continue to stick around. And plant-only diet peoples haven't been around very long. Contrast that with peoples who eat meat, who have existed for millions of years.

Ensorceled 5y ago
Vegans must eat some foods enriched with b vitamins to survive so they are not really on a plants only diet either. An entirely raw food, plant only diet leads to a horrible death due to b12 deficiency.