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All these crops do not work as you think they should work. Their function in modern agricultural industry is to chain the farmer to buy more and more chemicals

All these crops do not work as you think they should work. Their function in modern agricultural industry is to chain the farmer to buy more and more chemicals and patented crops. "Saving the world with gmo crops" is marketing talk by companies that make big money selling these chemicals and crops. Please check https://www.gmwatch.org/en/ https://www.gmwatch.org/en/ to train your critical thinking.

refurb 5y ago
This is a terrible take on a technology that has drastically improved human health.
- PYTHONDJANGO 5y ago
  Do not confuse gmo crops with genetics in medical tech, these are very different things. While there is zero evidence how gmo crops improve human health mRNA vaccines are a very interesting step in medical history. Also be vigilant for anybody who tries to make scientific gmo crop criticism look like stupid anti-vax blabla, these are very different groups. Best practice to better understand that battlefiled and not buy into propaganda is to stay focused and set an attention monitor on generalizations.
randomdata 5y ago
There are a quite a few farmers on HN, myself included. How are we being chained? I am quite familiar with the usual talking points you see in movies, but they are intended for a non-farmer audience and don't really mean much to those actually involved in agriculture. More technically, speaking to an actual audience of farmers, what does this mean and how does it play out in practice?
- PYTHONDJANGO 5y ago
  You do not own the seeds - owning the crops always was the real wealth for farmers. It is similar to not owning your hardware, but with much worse consequences for humanity as we loose crop diversity, which is very important for producing new resistent crops.
  - randomdata 5y ago
    Bin run wheat can arguably compete with what seed producers are putting out, but there is no GMO wheat on the market, so that's moot. When it comes to the other crops I grow, I have little interest in owning the seeds. The commercial seed producers produce seed that will far outperform anything I can produce. I'm going to be buying my seed from them each year regardless of ownership structure because, frankly, they sell a better product. It has been that way for much longer than GMO has been a thing. DIY isn't always better. In the modern world the wealth is in the land. Seeds are worthless if you have nowhere to grow them.

refurb 5y ago

This is a terrible take on a technology that has drastically improved human health.

PYTHONDJANGO 5y ago
Do not confuse gmo crops with genetics in medical tech, these are very different things. While there is zero evidence how gmo crops improve human health mRNA vaccines are a very interesting step in medical history. Also be vigilant for anybody who tries to make scientific gmo crop criticism look like stupid anti-vax blabla, these are very different groups. Best practice to better understand that battlefiled and not buy into propaganda is to stay focused and set an attention monitor on generalizations.

randomdata 5y ago

There are a quite a few farmers on HN, myself included. How are we being chained? I am quite familiar with the usual talking points you see in movies, but they are intended for a non-farmer audience and don't really mean much to those actually involved in agriculture. More technically, speaking to an actual audience of farmers, what does this mean and how does it play out in practice?

PYTHONDJANGO 5y ago
You do not own the seeds - owning the crops always was the real wealth for farmers. It is similar to not owning your hardware, but with much worse consequences for humanity as we loose crop diversity, which is very important for producing new resistent crops.
- randomdata 5y ago
  Bin run wheat can arguably compete with what seed producers are putting out, but there is no GMO wheat on the market, so that's moot. When it comes to the other crops I grow, I have little interest in owning the seeds. The commercial seed producers produce seed that will far outperform anything I can produce. I'm going to be buying my seed from them each year regardless of ownership structure because, frankly, they sell a better product. It has been that way for much longer than GMO has been a thing. DIY isn't always better. In the modern world the wealth is in the land. Seeds are worthless if you have nowhere to grow them.