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Canada, Russia and China seem to be the big winners of climate change. It will be interesting how that changes geopolitical dynamics.

perfunctory 5y ago
There will be no winners of climate change.
- Kelteseth 5y ago
  Oh, there are already winners for the past 50 years when you look at all big oil companies.
  - smhost 5y ago
    Maybe. There's a non-zero chance that when younger millenials come to power, they will hunt down oil company insiders and force them to flee to Argentina.
    - chadcmulligan 5y ago
      Will they? Like when the hippies came to power it was all flowers and rainbows. Those in power are rarely the ones who started out as political radicals, at least on the conservative side.
      - smhost 5y ago
        Hippies were never a thing. They might even have been a psy op along the lines of MKUltra. And conservatives are losing their ability to control and discipline their younger generations even more so than the liberal side, and many of them hate corporations as vehemently as anybody.
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ClumsyPilot 5y ago
Siberia has just had the largest forest fires in recorded history anywhere on earth. Permafrost is meling causing sinkholes and collapse of building as the earth shifts. Swaths of forest are turning into swamos and releasing massive amount of CO2 in the process
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- thysultan 5y ago
  Sounds like a win for Russia, new fertile area for farm land, more co2 presumably accelerates this thus providing new warm water ports across the arctic.
csomar 5y ago
China? They are having the worst floods and rains in a 1.000 year. I think the jury is still out there if they are going to be one of the worst affected by climate change.
masklinn 5y ago
> Canada, Russia seem to be the big winners of climate change. Less "big winner" and more "least losers". Very much a "I'd rather be a king in hell than a beggar in heaven" kind of things. Climate change will alter what latitudes crops can be grown in, but between the more erratic climate patterns (which make it harder to grow crops at all) and the absence of any built-up quality soil high up, it will mostly lead agricultural output to drop precipitously. Heavy subsidence from melting permafrost and cratering from methane explosion won't help either. And then, obviously, modern industrial agriculture is not just a bloke going out on a field and throwing a few seeds they found in their pantry or in a rock crack, there's an entire chain of supplies and knowledge undergirding it. > China seem to be the big winners of climate change. Have you ever looked what altitude China's major population and agriculture centers are? The north china plain is barely 50m above sea level at its highest point. Now that doesn't mean it can't be leveraged e.g. the CCP may well be planning to use this in order to, say, declare emergencies, draft everyone and prosecute massive expansion wars, but I wouldn't say "China" in the sense of its people would be a big winner of that.
PYTHONDJANGO 5y ago
No, there will be no winners at all. "Winners of climate change" is pure propaganda talk and if you read basic literature about what 2 or 4 degrees more even means you will have a better understanding for that and it will enable you to dismantle that fabricated idea.
Dumblydorr 5y ago
China, any small gains in crops would be vastly outweighed by coastal devastation. The Chinese population is mostly coastal, with the better part of a billion people on the coast. Sea level rise will be a massive challenge, salt water intrusion to water supplies, flooding is already devastating in China as well. Then you look at Shanghai, second only to Miami in it's potential to be underwater.
mabbo 5y ago
Overall, perhaps, but on the local level it's causing a lot of problems. The region I grew up in, in eastern Ontario, is an area with fairly thin soil. Fortunately, summer rains were generally frequent and mild- light rain all day a few days per week, and sunny and warm otherwise. This balanced out the thin soil, and made it work well for certain crops, corn especially. The last 15 years have seen a huge shift to dry weather interspersed with dramatically heavy rain. Heavy rain sounds good, but it's too fast- the water doesn't seep deeply into the soil, doesn't let the crops really get a good drink. It runs off, often taking nutrients with it straight into rivers. My parents are saying their farmer friends, staunch conservatives who used to believe climate change was a political stance, are suddenly getting more and more worried.
- Hendrikto 5y ago
  > […] their farmer friends, staunch conservatives who used to believe climate change was a political stance, are suddenly getting more and more worried. This whole ordeal is a lesson in fucking yourself over… Making up your own "thruth" may work for some things, but does not for most.

perfunctory 5y ago

There will be no winners of climate change.

Kelteseth 5y ago
Oh, there are already winners for the past 50 years when you look at all big oil companies.
- smhost 5y ago
  Maybe. There's a non-zero chance that when younger millenials come to power, they will hunt down oil company insiders and force them to flee to Argentina.
  - chadcmulligan 5y ago
    Will they? Like when the hippies came to power it was all flowers and rainbows. Those in power are rarely the ones who started out as political radicals, at least on the conservative side.
    - smhost 5y ago
      Hippies were never a thing. They might even have been a psy op along the lines of MKUltra. And conservatives are losing their ability to control and discipline their younger generations even more so than the liberal side, and many of them hate corporations as vehemently as anybody.
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ClumsyPilot 5y ago

Siberia has just had the largest forest fires in recorded history anywhere on earth. Permafrost is meling causing sinkholes and collapse of building as the earth shifts. Swaths of forest are turning into swamos and releasing massive amount of CO2 in the process

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thysultan 5y ago
Sounds like a win for Russia, new fertile area for farm land, more co2 presumably accelerates this thus providing new warm water ports across the arctic.

csomar 5y ago

China? They are having the worst floods and rains in a 1.000 year. I think the jury is still out there if they are going to be one of the worst affected by climate change.

masklinn 5y ago

> Canada, Russia seem to be the big winners of climate change. Less "big winner" and more "least losers". Very much a "I'd rather be a king in hell than a beggar in heaven" kind of things. Climate change will alter what latitudes crops can be grown in, but between the more erratic climate patterns (which make it harder to grow crops at all) and the absence of any built-up quality soil high up, it will mostly lead agricultural output to drop precipitously. Heavy subsidence from melting permafrost and cratering from methane explosion won't help either. And then, obviously, modern industrial agriculture is not just a bloke going out on a field and throwing a few seeds they found in their pantry or in a rock crack, there's an entire chain of supplies and knowledge undergirding it. > China seem to be the big winners of climate change. Have you ever looked what altitude China's major population and agriculture centers are? The north china plain is barely 50m above sea level at its highest point. Now that doesn't mean it can't be leveraged e.g. the CCP may well be planning to use this in order to, say, declare emergencies, draft everyone and prosecute massive expansion wars, but I wouldn't say "China" in the sense of its people would be a big winner of that.

PYTHONDJANGO 5y ago

No, there will be no winners at all. "Winners of climate change" is pure propaganda talk and if you read basic literature about what 2 or 4 degrees more even means you will have a better understanding for that and it will enable you to dismantle that fabricated idea.

Dumblydorr 5y ago

China, any small gains in crops would be vastly outweighed by coastal devastation. The Chinese population is mostly coastal, with the better part of a billion people on the coast. Sea level rise will be a massive challenge, salt water intrusion to water supplies, flooding is already devastating in China as well. Then you look at Shanghai, second only to Miami in it's potential to be underwater.

mabbo 5y ago

Overall, perhaps, but on the local level it's causing a lot of problems. The region I grew up in, in eastern Ontario, is an area with fairly thin soil. Fortunately, summer rains were generally frequent and mild- light rain all day a few days per week, and sunny and warm otherwise. This balanced out the thin soil, and made it work well for certain crops, corn especially. The last 15 years have seen a huge shift to dry weather interspersed with dramatically heavy rain. Heavy rain sounds good, but it's too fast- the water doesn't seep deeply into the soil, doesn't let the crops really get a good drink. It runs off, often taking nutrients with it straight into rivers. My parents are saying their farmer friends, staunch conservatives who used to believe climate change was a political stance, are suddenly getting more and more worried.

Hendrikto 5y ago
> […] their farmer friends, staunch conservatives who used to believe climate change was a political stance, are suddenly getting more and more worried. This whole ordeal is a lesson in fucking yourself over… Making up your own "thruth" may work for some things, but does not for most.