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>But that isn't on the police - they don't arrest anyone because the DA doesn't prosecute anyone. This always struck me as a BS excuse, because if you're tryin

>But that isn't on the police - they don't arrest anyone because the DA doesn't prosecute anyone. This always struck me as a BS excuse, because if you're trying to demonstrate that the DA is the problem, wouldn't you want to be making arrests and creating a paper trail to prove your point? Apathy by the police just makes them look bad to anyone who's on the receiving end of it. And getting arrested is still a deterrent without charges. Hell, even "A cop might begin asking me some questions" is a mild deterrent.

dralley 5y ago
I assume they would feel that sticking their neck out like that would put themselves at personal risk, either literally or figuratively.
- ViViDboarder 5y ago
  In what way would doing there job put them at risk that they didn’t sign up for with the job itself? You’re not going to convince me to pay you more if you do a shit job. Same issue as with the SF school district.
  - dralley 5y ago
    You're asking them to publicly humiliate an office that is politically incentivized (in SF) to throw them under the bus if they see the opportunity to do so, opportunities which might come along more frequently the more they actually arrest people.
    - Talanes 5y ago
      I'm asking them to stop publicly eroding our trust in their ability and willingness to do the job we pay them for.
spoonjim 5y ago
Making an arrest is not risk free for a cop, the career lowlifes who have been arrested dozens of times aren’t afraid of anything (including incarceration), and burnout affects even tech workers, of course it affects cops who want to make arrests to get people in jail, and can’t find the motivation when it’s to “create a paper trail.”
iammisc 5y ago
Except no one takes life threatening risks to assemble a paper trail.
runarberg 5y ago
Indeed. The behavioral science would agree with you. There is no theoretical framework backed up by evidence that would suggest that prosecution and prison works as a deterrent. For punishment to actually work as a behavioral modification tool, it has to be consistent and immediate. Prosecution is neither. At lest getting caught red handed is immediate.
tshaddox 5y ago
It’s also a BS excuse because by any reasonable definition the DA is part of the police.
ViViDboarder 5y ago
It’s also demonstrably false. You can look at clearance and prosecution stats from both the PD and DA and you’ll see little too no change from pre and post Chesa. https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/stay-safe/crime-data/clearance-rates-dashboard https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/stay-safe/crime-data/clea... https://sfdistrictattorney.org/policy/da-stat/ https://sfdistrictattorney.org/policy/da-stat/ Some court activity dropped in 2020, but filing rates are higher in 2021 already, highlighting the impact closed and reduced court capacity has had. Filings, even in 2020, though lower that 2021, were not out of the norm of the last decade. This year, rates are at 2018/2019 levels and close to a high for the decade. Lots of people come out and like to point a finger at our new DA when the data just doesn’t support it. If there is a problem with prosecutors in SF, it’s existed before Chesa.

dralley 5y ago

I assume they would feel that sticking their neck out like that would put themselves at personal risk, either literally or figuratively.

ViViDboarder 5y ago
In what way would doing there job put them at risk that they didn’t sign up for with the job itself? You’re not going to convince me to pay you more if you do a shit job. Same issue as with the SF school district.
- dralley 5y ago
  You're asking them to publicly humiliate an office that is politically incentivized (in SF) to throw them under the bus if they see the opportunity to do so, opportunities which might come along more frequently the more they actually arrest people.
  - Talanes 5y ago
    I'm asking them to stop publicly eroding our trust in their ability and willingness to do the job we pay them for.

spoonjim 5y ago

Making an arrest is not risk free for a cop, the career lowlifes who have been arrested dozens of times aren’t afraid of anything (including incarceration), and burnout affects even tech workers, of course it affects cops who want to make arrests to get people in jail, and can’t find the motivation when it’s to “create a paper trail.”

iammisc 5y ago

Except no one takes life threatening risks to assemble a paper trail.

runarberg 5y ago

Indeed. The behavioral science would agree with you. There is no theoretical framework backed up by evidence that would suggest that prosecution and prison works as a deterrent. For punishment to actually work as a behavioral modification tool, it has to be consistent and immediate. Prosecution is neither. At lest getting caught red handed is immediate.

tshaddox 5y ago

It’s also a BS excuse because by any reasonable definition the DA is part of the police.

ViViDboarder 5y ago

It’s also demonstrably false. You can look at clearance and prosecution stats from both the PD and DA and you’ll see little too no change from pre and post Chesa. https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/stay-safe/crime-data/clearance-rates-dashboard https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/stay-safe/crime-data/clea... https://sfdistrictattorney.org/policy/da-stat/ https://sfdistrictattorney.org/policy/da-stat/ Some court activity dropped in 2020, but filing rates are higher in 2021 already, highlighting the impact closed and reduced court capacity has had. Filings, even in 2020, though lower that 2021, were not out of the norm of the last decade. This year, rates are at 2018/2019 levels and close to a high for the decade. Lots of people come out and like to point a finger at our new DA when the data just doesn’t support it. If there is a problem with prosecutors in SF, it’s existed before Chesa.