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This seems like mostly an Apple problem. I have not heard similar issues with Google and Facebook (I don't know anyone in the other "A" or the "N")

romanhn 5y ago
Facebook is absolutely well-known for its terrible work-life balance, borne out of high expectations and a high percentage of overachievers.
kyralis 5y ago
No, this is a "specific team within FAANG" problem. It absolutely happens at some teams in all of them; it also absolutely does not happen in others. That's the problem with having very large companies; the experience is not homogenous.
- georgeburdell 5y ago
  Do you work at Apple? That company has ruined more than one of my close friends/family members. If you don't, just read Steve Job's biography. Most of the work situations Isaacson described in Apple's earlier days are horrifying, albeit presented in a heroic, nostalgic light.
  - exBarrelSpoiler 5y ago
    What happened to the people you know?
deadmutex 5y ago
Apple may be worse than others.. but also know that people move around, and bring a part of their old culture to the new team. If they're in a senior position, and they have a bias towards people from their old employer while hiring, they could start hiring people from the ex-employer. Mix that in with a fast growing team, and now there is a risk of a subset of the company acting like they're at the old company. FWIW, I have heard these types of stories before too, and they are definitely NOT unique to Apple.
- exBarrelSpoiler 5y ago
  Well, after Google purchased Nest, there were all of those tales about the difficulties of integrating that startup into the parent company. Tony Fadell founded Nest, and he brought Apple's culture into it, and that style definitely did not gel with Google's more laidback environment.
  - deadmutex 5y ago
    FWIW, the people at Nest have been the nicest people I have worked with during my career. Many of them were ex-Apple. I did not work under Tony though, so can't comment on that. I also remember the comments from the ex-Dropcam team... And I tried to find out what happened there, but never fully found out.

romanhn 5y ago

Facebook is absolutely well-known for its terrible work-life balance, borne out of high expectations and a high percentage of overachievers.

kyralis 5y ago

No, this is a "specific team within FAANG" problem. It absolutely happens at some teams in all of them; it also absolutely does not happen in others. That's the problem with having very large companies; the experience is not homogenous.

georgeburdell 5y ago
Do you work at Apple? That company has ruined more than one of my close friends/family members. If you don't, just read Steve Job's biography. Most of the work situations Isaacson described in Apple's earlier days are horrifying, albeit presented in a heroic, nostalgic light.
- exBarrelSpoiler 5y ago
  What happened to the people you know?

deadmutex 5y ago

Apple may be worse than others.. but also know that people move around, and bring a part of their old culture to the new team. If they're in a senior position, and they have a bias towards people from their old employer while hiring, they could start hiring people from the ex-employer. Mix that in with a fast growing team, and now there is a risk of a subset of the company acting like they're at the old company. FWIW, I have heard these types of stories before too, and they are definitely NOT unique to Apple.

exBarrelSpoiler 5y ago
Well, after Google purchased Nest, there were all of those tales about the difficulties of integrating that startup into the parent company. Tony Fadell founded Nest, and he brought Apple's culture into it, and that style definitely did not gel with Google's more laidback environment.
- deadmutex 5y ago
  FWIW, the people at Nest have been the nicest people I have worked with during my career. Many of them were ex-Apple. I did not work under Tony though, so can't comment on that. I also remember the comments from the ex-Dropcam team... And I tried to find out what happened there, but never fully found out.