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China has been doing this for, what, 30-40 years now? How is this news? It is astonishing to me how many people have been, apparently, sleeping under a rock fo

China has been doing this for, what, 30-40 years now? How is this news? It is astonishing to me how many people have been, apparently, sleeping under a rock for decades, and are just now announcing their bitter realizations that China is not a free market open to Western companies. Hillary Clinton did one of these announcements within the past year or so, and my eyes rolled right out of the back of my head.

rektide 5y ago
> China has been doing this for, what, 30-40 years now? How is this news? Company take-overs maybe. But to say that this is like the past is either ignorant or misleading. The stakes here are so much different than a mere spat over corporate property. This is the modern right to build computing machines. One rogue element in China has hijacked not merely a company, but a volume of IP that circumscribes probably hundreds of billions of devices. 99% of the consumer mobile devices on the planet are powered exclusively by this IP and a vast vast range of other consumer devices too. By usurping & overthrowing IP controls, by seizing this asset, Allen Wu has instigated a civilization-level technical fork, where the rest of the world has pre-legally-bound themselves to ban practically all future ARM China chips & any device licensed by ARM China. ARM China meanwhile is incentivized to license, sell & distribute as widely as possible, to make themselves an interesting competitive force, turning the heist into a self-sustaining movement of progress & growth for chipmaking, bolstered by less rules, less cruftiness, less legalese, more can do. Just to remind everyone, software has eaten the planet. Modern upstarts like RISC-V have been trying to grow a reasonable new basis to compute from, to host software atop, but to be honest, x86 and ARM are the only two players running this world-eater. AMD has gotten to play & keep x86 interesting & competitive because they got a license very very long ago, and ARM has been holding the reigns of the other horse, dictating how it evolves. RISC-V is just getting started, is almost no where, is only beginning to find itself, albeit has some good chops demonstrated on the lower end microcontroller type chips. But so far no one has been able to be interesting with chips. And ARM China is hereby announcing that they give no ducks, that they have whatever blasted sovereignty they want, that they will take & make new as they see fit from here on out. And they will almost certainly find many in China to work with. Which is something ARM in the rest of the world has gotten worse and worse and worse at over the years, as countless companies fold their application processor divisions to increasing competition.
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redtexture 5y ago
Photo of back of head desired.
- civilized 5y ago
  I'm having trouble pointing the camera.
onethought 5y ago
So China invented paper, printing and gunpowder. That’s pretty significant IP theft… no one talks about it.
- tartoran 5y ago
  Yeah, that would be a few millenia patent. Its really a false equivalency..
  - onethought 5y ago
    I know. Let’s excuse the rules when it doesn’t convenience us. How about using drug addiction to force trade… then complaining that party doesn’t follow the trade rules? I love how we talk about how “China doesn’t follow the rules”… and completely ignore the context of how they were dragged into the game unwillingly
    - mc32 5y ago
      WHAT rules need excusing? they did not exist back then.
      - onethought 5y ago
        But what if one disagrees with the creation of said rules. US could always stop trade with China… sanction them, like Iran, no?
    - otterley 5y ago
      Don't change the subject, Paid Chinese Agent. We know who you are.
      - onethought 5y ago
        Not changing the subject. 100% China thinks about that context constantly. They don’t think the rules of trade or fair, and actively exploit them. Sometimes people don’t think like you do, and that’s okay. It doesn’t mean they are paid by nefarious actors or are state shills.

rektide 5y ago

> China has been doing this for, what, 30-40 years now? How is this news? Company take-overs maybe. But to say that this is like the past is either ignorant or misleading. The stakes here are so much different than a mere spat over corporate property. This is the modern right to build computing machines. One rogue element in China has hijacked not merely a company, but a volume of IP that circumscribes probably hundreds of billions of devices. 99% of the consumer mobile devices on the planet are powered exclusively by this IP and a vast vast range of other consumer devices too. By usurping & overthrowing IP controls, by seizing this asset, Allen Wu has instigated a civilization-level technical fork, where the rest of the world has pre-legally-bound themselves to ban practically all future ARM China chips & any device licensed by ARM China. ARM China meanwhile is incentivized to license, sell & distribute as widely as possible, to make themselves an interesting competitive force, turning the heist into a self-sustaining movement of progress & growth for chipmaking, bolstered by less rules, less cruftiness, less legalese, more can do. Just to remind everyone, software has eaten the planet. Modern upstarts like RISC-V have been trying to grow a reasonable new basis to compute from, to host software atop, but to be honest, x86 and ARM are the only two players running this world-eater. AMD has gotten to play & keep x86 interesting & competitive because they got a license very very long ago, and ARM has been holding the reigns of the other horse, dictating how it evolves. RISC-V is just getting started, is almost no where, is only beginning to find itself, albeit has some good chops demonstrated on the lower end microcontroller type chips. But so far no one has been able to be interesting with chips. And ARM China is hereby announcing that they give no ducks, that they have whatever blasted sovereignty they want, that they will take & make new as they see fit from here on out. And they will almost certainly find many in China to work with. Which is something ARM in the rest of the world has gotten worse and worse and worse at over the years, as countless companies fold their application processor divisions to increasing competition.

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redtexture 5y ago

Photo of back of head desired.

civilized 5y ago
I'm having trouble pointing the camera.

onethought 5y ago

So China invented paper, printing and gunpowder. That’s pretty significant IP theft… no one talks about it.

tartoran 5y ago
Yeah, that would be a few millenia patent. Its really a false equivalency..
- onethought 5y ago
  I know. Let’s excuse the rules when it doesn’t convenience us. How about using drug addiction to force trade… then complaining that party doesn’t follow the trade rules? I love how we talk about how “China doesn’t follow the rules”… and completely ignore the context of how they were dragged into the game unwillingly
  - mc32 5y ago
    WHAT rules need excusing? they did not exist back then.
    - onethought 5y ago
      But what if one disagrees with the creation of said rules. US could always stop trade with China… sanction them, like Iran, no?
  - otterley 5y ago
    Don't change the subject, Paid Chinese Agent. We know who you are.
    - onethought 5y ago
      Not changing the subject. 100% China thinks about that context constantly. They don’t think the rules of trade or fair, and actively exploit them. Sometimes people don’t think like you do, and that’s okay. It doesn’t mean they are paid by nefarious actors or are state shills.