> It probably won't be a profession either until we've settled the whole C++ vs Rust vs Lisp vs JavaScript vs $LANGUAGE_DU_JOUR debate I don't see how it's a d

> It probably won't be a profession either until we've settled the whole C++ vs Rust vs Lisp vs JavaScript vs $LANGUAGE_DU_JOUR debate I don't see how it's a debate. Different languages have strengths and weaknesses. > and stopped acting like egotists. "Rockstar programmer" is a problematical phrase. What it tells us is that programming is one big dick-measuring contest. And yet law is extremely bi-modal. It's not surprising software is similar; you can't argue the average offshored programmer is in any way similar to John Carmack for instance. > See that? Professional. I imagine lawyers, engineers and manifold other professions have similar appropriate procedures. What do us programmers do? Release our shit onto the world and fix it later via patches. And issue licences that say we take no responsibility for the fitness of our programs. Sounds like you are hiring wrong. You are hiring programmers and then whine they aren't acting like engineers. Software Engineers have code review, proper release pipelines and methodologies. The bargain-bin programmers don't, of course.