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And there was a dispute a few years ago with one of the companies that cleans the waste water that flows back into the river. They stopped operations and the po

And there was a dispute a few years ago with one of the companies that cleans the waste water that flows back into the river. They stopped operations and the pollution wiped out the fish all over again.

Firerouge 5y ago
> They stopped operations and the pollution wiped out the fish all over again. Sounds like they shouldn't be paid for any of the work that they undid by this
- lupire 5y ago
  You expect to work forever after getting paid once?
  - ISL 5y ago
    Depends on the contract. Cemeteries do exactly that.
    - codetrotter 5y ago
      Differs from country to country I think. And even in some of those countries where grave leases are indefinite, they are eventually going to have to face the fact that as the population of earth grows there will be less and less available space for new graves, and at some point they will likely have to change the rules to allow for grave reuse even in a lot of places that currently have graves last “forever”. For example: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-28/cemetery-space-is-filling-up-is-grave-reuse-the-solution/100205348 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-28/cemetery-space-is-fil... Norway: > § 8. Protection time for grave and burial site. > A grave can be used for a new burial when at least 20 years have passed since the last burial and the articles of association for the burial site do not stipulate a longer protection period. > Urns can still be put in a coffin grave even if the protection period according to the first paragraph has not expired. > When a burial site is closed, it must be protected for at least 40 years after the last burial. From https://lovdata.no/lov/1996-06-07-32/§8 https://lovdata.no/lov/1996-06-07-32/§8 and translated using Google Translate with additional manual correction of one word that Google Translate misinterpreted.
      - hulitu 5y ago
        In a eastern european country the grave is leased for 7 years. After this period if you don't extend the lease, it will be leased to somebody else. You can burry anybody there but i think that there is a period of time before you can burry the next one.
  - Firerouge 5y ago
    I expect protecting the environment to be the modus operandi. Lack of funding to do so or simply to save money isn't an excuse to relinquish their liability for damages.
    - austhrow743 5y ago
      So if you found yourself in the position where if you weren't cleaning up other people's mess then the environment would be damaged, and you weren't being paid, you would keep doing it? If so, why aren't you putting yourself in to that position right now? And assuming you do start, at what point does it become specifically your obligation such that you think you should get sued if you stop doing it?
      - Firerouge 5y ago
        It became their obligation when they signed a contract taking responsibility of cleaning the river. If they wanted or needed to relinquish this responsibility they should of utilized the court system, arbitration, or sold off through bankruptcy the obligation.
pvaldes 5y ago
If I was in charge of this project would seriously consider as a goal to clean the waters enough to allow the survival and massive reintroduction of Painter's mussel in the city. Small native species strongly linked with the history of the country. Its direct link with the Flemish painters school, and with Brussels old kitchen would have a strong touristic appeal. Would have also a educational value creating a sense of proud among citizens, and a big environmental value as umbrella species for introduction of nature in the city and other endangered species of native mussels. All that they need is to assure to keep a minimum constant quality in the water and suddenly you have an army of small long-lived water plants generating crystalline water for free as result. A start could be to culture it in temporary flat cages that could be moved to other places in winter or if needed. Could be seen as a live water analysis system that will trigger a fast alarm in the case of toxic waste being dumped to the streams. You could put 'live filter cages' with a lot of painter mussels and maybe a few number of rarer species here and there among them and place it as necessary. Seems feasible.

Firerouge 5y ago

> They stopped operations and the pollution wiped out the fish all over again. Sounds like they shouldn't be paid for any of the work that they undid by this

lupire 5y ago
You expect to work forever after getting paid once?
- ISL 5y ago
  Depends on the contract. Cemeteries do exactly that.
  - codetrotter 5y ago
    Differs from country to country I think. And even in some of those countries where grave leases are indefinite, they are eventually going to have to face the fact that as the population of earth grows there will be less and less available space for new graves, and at some point they will likely have to change the rules to allow for grave reuse even in a lot of places that currently have graves last “forever”. For example: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-28/cemetery-space-is-filling-up-is-grave-reuse-the-solution/100205348 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-28/cemetery-space-is-fil... Norway: > § 8. Protection time for grave and burial site. > A grave can be used for a new burial when at least 20 years have passed since the last burial and the articles of association for the burial site do not stipulate a longer protection period. > Urns can still be put in a coffin grave even if the protection period according to the first paragraph has not expired. > When a burial site is closed, it must be protected for at least 40 years after the last burial. From https://lovdata.no/lov/1996-06-07-32/§8 https://lovdata.no/lov/1996-06-07-32/§8 and translated using Google Translate with additional manual correction of one word that Google Translate misinterpreted.
    - hulitu 5y ago
      In a eastern european country the grave is leased for 7 years. After this period if you don't extend the lease, it will be leased to somebody else. You can burry anybody there but i think that there is a period of time before you can burry the next one.
- Firerouge 5y ago
  I expect protecting the environment to be the modus operandi. Lack of funding to do so or simply to save money isn't an excuse to relinquish their liability for damages.
  - austhrow743 5y ago
    So if you found yourself in the position where if you weren't cleaning up other people's mess then the environment would be damaged, and you weren't being paid, you would keep doing it? If so, why aren't you putting yourself in to that position right now? And assuming you do start, at what point does it become specifically your obligation such that you think you should get sued if you stop doing it?
    - Firerouge 5y ago
      It became their obligation when they signed a contract taking responsibility of cleaning the river. If they wanted or needed to relinquish this responsibility they should of utilized the court system, arbitration, or sold off through bankruptcy the obligation.

pvaldes 5y ago

If I was in charge of this project would seriously consider as a goal to clean the waters enough to allow the survival and massive reintroduction of Painter's mussel in the city. Small native species strongly linked with the history of the country. Its direct link with the Flemish painters school, and with Brussels old kitchen would have a strong touristic appeal. Would have also a educational value creating a sense of proud among citizens, and a big environmental value as umbrella species for introduction of nature in the city and other endangered species of native mussels. All that they need is to assure to keep a minimum constant quality in the water and suddenly you have an army of small long-lived water plants generating crystalline water for free as result. A start could be to culture it in temporary flat cages that could be moved to other places in winter or if needed. Could be seen as a live water analysis system that will trigger a fast alarm in the case of toxic waste being dumped to the streams. You could put 'live filter cages' with a lot of painter mussels and maybe a few number of rarer species here and there among them and place it as necessary. Seems feasible.