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"That's so far from reality that it's irresponsible." I think your "larger male that can still safely run every week" perspective is skewing your understanding

by lkey 5y ago

"That's so far from reality that it's irresponsible." I think your "larger male that can still safely run every week" perspective is skewing your understanding of this problem. It is perfectly reasonable to expect weight loss of that magnitude to take that long for people that are older, sicker, or just not male. Moreover, you starting BMR often is significantly higher than it will be when you finish a crash diet, so if you tabulated 2000 a day at the start, that can be as low 1400 by the end coming out of starvation. I'm happy you've found a method of weight loss that works for you. The way I lost weight was more extreme, but similar. However, you shouldn't universalize your personal experience as hidden wisdom. The are people who are born fat and will die fat. If they are otherwise healthy and happy for the duration, I see no reason for society to 'educate' or intervene on their lives. And make no mistake, it is possible to be fat and healthy. Your heart, cholesterol, and diabetic markers can all be normal if you are eating healthy and exercising at (within reason) any weight.

yupper32 5y ago
If you're calling 1500 a day a crash diet, making up numbers, and think education is a pointless endeavor, then I can't continue this conversation.
lkey 5y ago
Edit: "If you're calling 1500 a day a crash diet, making up numbers, and think education is a pointless endeavor, then I can't continue this conversation." I said previously, I don't care about your personal diet, as it has little to do with how the CDC should dictate policy. The diet I described was a crash diet. 'education is a pointless endeavor'. You are putting words in my mouth, my point, of course, was that knowing about CICO doesn't change the fact that weight loss takes a long time, is hard, and requires resources that many don't have access to. A word of warning, keeping it off is also hard when you've been fat, so prepare for that. Since we won't speak again, I want you to interrogate why you are emotionally engaged with this topic. I had similar thoughts about how other people should behave when I discovered how to lose the weight, but realized only later that those thoughts made me view all fat people in a dim light, that it was ok to assume bad things about them, to view them as in need of 'education' like you advocate for. If you ignore everything else I've said, please think about the perspective of a person who has lost 120 lbs, but is still 280lbs, and are receiving their 100th unsolicited lecture about CICO from someone like you. Most fat people go through that, from elementary school to adulthood in the US. It's pointless, they definitely don't want to hear about that from a stranger.

by lkey 5y ago

yupper32 5y ago

If you're calling 1500 a day a crash diet, making up numbers, and think education is a pointless endeavor, then I can't continue this conversation.

lkey 5y ago

Edit: "If you're calling 1500 a day a crash diet, making up numbers, and think education is a pointless endeavor, then I can't continue this conversation." I said previously, I don't care about your personal diet, as it has little to do with how the CDC should dictate policy. The diet I described was a crash diet. 'education is a pointless endeavor'. You are putting words in my mouth, my point, of course, was that knowing about CICO doesn't change the fact that weight loss takes a long time, is hard, and requires resources that many don't have access to. A word of warning, keeping it off is also hard when you've been fat, so prepare for that. Since we won't speak again, I want you to interrogate why you are emotionally engaged with this topic. I had similar thoughts about how other people should behave when I discovered how to lose the weight, but realized only later that those thoughts made me view all fat people in a dim light, that it was ok to assume bad things about them, to view them as in need of 'education' like you advocate for. If you ignore everything else I've said, please think about the perspective of a person who has lost 120 lbs, but is still 280lbs, and are receiving their 100th unsolicited lecture about CICO from someone like you. Most fat people go through that, from elementary school to adulthood in the US. It's pointless, they definitely don't want to hear about that from a stranger.