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> Irresponsible to whom? You are the one advocating for this exact kind of analysis, not me, I merely obliged you. It's irresponsible to say that you need to b

> Irresponsible to whom? You are the one advocating for this exact kind of analysis, not me, I merely obliged you. It's irresponsible to say that you need to be on a 700 calorie diet for 3-4 years to lose 120 pounds. That's so far from reality that it's irresponsible. > Do you control for water and glycogen loss? I lose more in the first week or so to what I assume is water retention. After that it settles into 2lbs/week. > What about exercise, what's your basal metabolic rate? etc... I wear a fitbit and allow myself more calories if I run (based on what it tells me). None of this needs to be perfect. If you're off by 100-200 calories a day, you'll still lose weight. None of that matters, though. I have my number: 1500 calories. If I'm not losing enough, I'll lower it 100 at a time. Or if I'm losing too much, I'll raise it 100 at a time. That adjusts for BMR and mistakes in my calorie counting. Finding my exact BMR is wasted effort.

lkey 5y ago
"That's so far from reality that it's irresponsible." I think your "larger male that can still safely run every week" perspective is skewing your understanding of this problem. It is perfectly reasonable to expect weight loss of that magnitude to take that long for people that are older, sicker, or just not male. Moreover, you starting BMR often is significantly higher than it will be when you finish a crash diet, so if you tabulated 2000 a day at the start, that can be as low 1400 by the end coming out of starvation. I'm happy you've found a method of weight loss that works for you. The way I lost weight was more extreme, but similar. However, you shouldn't universalize your personal experience as hidden wisdom. The are people who are born fat and will die fat. If they are otherwise healthy and happy for the duration, I see no reason for society to 'educate' or intervene on their lives. And make no mistake, it is possible to be fat and healthy. Your heart, cholesterol, and diabetic markers can all be normal if you are eating healthy and exercising at (within reason) any weight.
- yupper32 5y ago
  If you're calling 1500 a day a crash diet, making up numbers, and think education is a pointless endeavor, then I can't continue this conversation.
- lkey 5y ago
  Edit: "If you're calling 1500 a day a crash diet, making up numbers, and think education is a pointless endeavor, then I can't continue this conversation." I said previously, I don't care about your personal diet, as it has little to do with how the CDC should dictate policy. The diet I described was a crash diet. 'education is a pointless endeavor'. You are putting words in my mouth, my point, of course, was that knowing about CICO doesn't change the fact that weight loss takes a long time, is hard, and requires resources that many don't have access to. A word of warning, keeping it off is also hard when you've been fat, so prepare for that. Since we won't speak again, I want you to interrogate why you are emotionally engaged with this topic. I had similar thoughts about how other people should behave when I discovered how to lose the weight, but realized only later that those thoughts made me view all fat people in a dim light, that it was ok to assume bad things about them, to view them as in need of 'education' like you advocate for. If you ignore everything else I've said, please think about the perspective of a person who has lost 120 lbs, but is still 280lbs, and are receiving their 100th unsolicited lecture about CICO from someone like you. Most fat people go through that, from elementary school to adulthood in the US. It's pointless, they definitely don't want to hear about that from a stranger.

lkey 5y ago

"That's so far from reality that it's irresponsible." I think your "larger male that can still safely run every week" perspective is skewing your understanding of this problem. It is perfectly reasonable to expect weight loss of that magnitude to take that long for people that are older, sicker, or just not male. Moreover, you starting BMR often is significantly higher than it will be when you finish a crash diet, so if you tabulated 2000 a day at the start, that can be as low 1400 by the end coming out of starvation. I'm happy you've found a method of weight loss that works for you. The way I lost weight was more extreme, but similar. However, you shouldn't universalize your personal experience as hidden wisdom. The are people who are born fat and will die fat. If they are otherwise healthy and happy for the duration, I see no reason for society to 'educate' or intervene on their lives. And make no mistake, it is possible to be fat and healthy. Your heart, cholesterol, and diabetic markers can all be normal if you are eating healthy and exercising at (within reason) any weight.

yupper32 5y ago
If you're calling 1500 a day a crash diet, making up numbers, and think education is a pointless endeavor, then I can't continue this conversation.
lkey 5y ago
Edit: "If you're calling 1500 a day a crash diet, making up numbers, and think education is a pointless endeavor, then I can't continue this conversation." I said previously, I don't care about your personal diet, as it has little to do with how the CDC should dictate policy. The diet I described was a crash diet. 'education is a pointless endeavor'. You are putting words in my mouth, my point, of course, was that knowing about CICO doesn't change the fact that weight loss takes a long time, is hard, and requires resources that many don't have access to. A word of warning, keeping it off is also hard when you've been fat, so prepare for that. Since we won't speak again, I want you to interrogate why you are emotionally engaged with this topic. I had similar thoughts about how other people should behave when I discovered how to lose the weight, but realized only later that those thoughts made me view all fat people in a dim light, that it was ok to assume bad things about them, to view them as in need of 'education' like you advocate for. If you ignore everything else I've said, please think about the perspective of a person who has lost 120 lbs, but is still 280lbs, and are receiving their 100th unsolicited lecture about CICO from someone like you. Most fat people go through that, from elementary school to adulthood in the US. It's pointless, they definitely don't want to hear about that from a stranger.