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It would be WWIII whether the US defends it or not. Because it gives China free reign to invade other areas, such as the disputed South China Sea. This will lea

It would be WWIII whether the US defends it or not. Because it gives China free reign to invade other areas, such as the disputed South China Sea. This will lead to conflict with Vietnam and the Phillipines. The dominoes will continue to fall until the US intervenes eventually to protect de facto NATO countries Australia and New Zealand.

yhoneycomb 5y ago
ie white countries
- lostlogin 5y ago
  How would the North Atlantic avoid that charge?
  - yhoneycomb 5y ago
    Why is the North Atlantic even aligned in the first place?
    - CRConrad 5y ago
      So as not to slop over its brims. It has been found that having the body of water exactly aligned with its containing basin at all times is the optimal solution, especially for residents of coastal areas.
- handrous 5y ago
  More that their Commonwealth status means Britain would intervene, which means the US probably would too, and at that point it's about 90% of the way to being a NATO action even if no-one else joins.
  - kingofpandora 5y ago
    Commonwealth doesn't mean anything. It's a very loose association of counties with shared history not a defence pact.
    - handrous 5y ago
      Even so, I think Britain refusing to aid a Commonwealth member under credible foreign military threat would be pretty surprising. More so with Australia and New Zealand especially, since they share a head of state. Besides, ANZUS and Five Power exist to pull the US and Britain, respectively, into a conflict that threatens those states.
      - kingofpandora 5y ago
        There's no chance the UK goes to war with China over anything unless the US does so first. It won't be the other way around, Commonwealth or not.
lostlogin 5y ago
> and New Zealand. New Zealand will cave and sell out, long before any war comes along. It’s bad for business to have principles, and we have stuck to that course over multiple China issues and multiple governments. ‘Our’ politicians (are they ours or Chinas?) have had financial interests in China throughout their terms and there was even a Chinese communist party member and trained Chinese intelligence member in our parliament. We picked our side. https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/300054428/parliamentary-inquiry-hears-evidence-of-chinese-political-interference-in-new-zealand-political-system https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/300054428/parliamentary-inqui... https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/122094310/jian-yang-the-national-mp-who-admitted-to-training-chinese-spies-retiring https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/122094310/jian-yang-...
- jessaustin 5y ago
  ...are they ours or Chinas? Perhaps you couldn't say the same thing about Vietnam (I don't know enough about it), but you definitely could about Philippines.
vmception 5y ago
Although Vietnam keeps its head down and is welcoming and nice to US, they're still a single party system named the Communist Party dabbling in marxist and modern state capital systems. They still predictably squash dissent and put them in gulags/reducation camps, and the lack of this news only points to them being too small and insignificant for us to care. Do we really care if two Communist Parties attack each other?
- autosharp 5y ago
  Communist, democratic, (il)liberal -- the rhetoric all doesn't matter. Containment of China and an international balance of power is the issue, not which flavor of governance domestically.
  - vmception 5y ago
    Although I’m very skeptical of their intentions, I don't share that priority
- TMWNN 5y ago
  >Although Vietnam keeps its head down and is welcoming and nice to US, they're still a single party system named the Communist Party dabbling in marxist and modern state capital systems. China and Vietnam have fought a war with each other more recently than either has fought the US. In our lifetime we will again see the US Navy based at Cam Ranh Bay, and the USAF based at Tan Son Nhut. (Same with Subic and Clark in the Philippines.)

yhoneycomb 5y ago

ie white countries

lostlogin 5y ago
How would the North Atlantic avoid that charge?
- yhoneycomb 5y ago
  Why is the North Atlantic even aligned in the first place?
  - CRConrad 5y ago
    So as not to slop over its brims. It has been found that having the body of water exactly aligned with its containing basin at all times is the optimal solution, especially for residents of coastal areas.
handrous 5y ago
More that their Commonwealth status means Britain would intervene, which means the US probably would too, and at that point it's about 90% of the way to being a NATO action even if no-one else joins.
- kingofpandora 5y ago
  Commonwealth doesn't mean anything. It's a very loose association of counties with shared history not a defence pact.
  - handrous 5y ago
    Even so, I think Britain refusing to aid a Commonwealth member under credible foreign military threat would be pretty surprising. More so with Australia and New Zealand especially, since they share a head of state. Besides, ANZUS and Five Power exist to pull the US and Britain, respectively, into a conflict that threatens those states.
    - kingofpandora 5y ago
      There's no chance the UK goes to war with China over anything unless the US does so first. It won't be the other way around, Commonwealth or not.

lostlogin 5y ago

> and New Zealand. New Zealand will cave and sell out, long before any war comes along. It’s bad for business to have principles, and we have stuck to that course over multiple China issues and multiple governments. ‘Our’ politicians (are they ours or Chinas?) have had financial interests in China throughout their terms and there was even a Chinese communist party member and trained Chinese intelligence member in our parliament. We picked our side. https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/300054428/parliamentary-inquiry-hears-evidence-of-chinese-political-interference-in-new-zealand-political-system https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/300054428/parliamentary-inqui... https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/122094310/jian-yang-the-national-mp-who-admitted-to-training-chinese-spies-retiring https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/122094310/jian-yang-...

jessaustin 5y ago
...are they ours or Chinas? Perhaps you couldn't say the same thing about Vietnam (I don't know enough about it), but you definitely could about Philippines.

vmception 5y ago

Although Vietnam keeps its head down and is welcoming and nice to US, they're still a single party system named the Communist Party dabbling in marxist and modern state capital systems. They still predictably squash dissent and put them in gulags/reducation camps, and the lack of this news only points to them being too small and insignificant for us to care. Do we really care if two Communist Parties attack each other?

autosharp 5y ago
Communist, democratic, (il)liberal -- the rhetoric all doesn't matter. Containment of China and an international balance of power is the issue, not which flavor of governance domestically.
- vmception 5y ago
  Although I’m very skeptical of their intentions, I don't share that priority
TMWNN 5y ago
>Although Vietnam keeps its head down and is welcoming and nice to US, they're still a single party system named the Communist Party dabbling in marxist and modern state capital systems. China and Vietnam have fought a war with each other more recently than either has fought the US. In our lifetime we will again see the US Navy based at Cam Ranh Bay, and the USAF based at Tan Son Nhut. (Same with Subic and Clark in the Philippines.)