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So HN, who should I be buying external HDDs from anymore? Because this is the last straw for me with WD

by ep103 5y ago

thg 5y ago
Toshiba.
- babypuncher 5y ago
  It's a sample size of one, but the worst recent HDD I bought was a Toshiba. I got it in, and within a week I was getting SMART warnings about a high number of reallocated sectors (accompanied by strange performance characteristics. I RMA'd the drive and the replacement had the exact same issue.
  - jacquesm 5y ago
    Technically that's a sample size of two.
    - dragontamer 5y ago
      Could be a sample size of one though. One of the most important things for hard drives is to keep them protected. If your shipping company screws up (see Amazon) and drops the box hard on your front porch, you may end up with a broken drive. AKA: The issue could very well not be the hard drive manufacturer, but instead the company that delivered your hard drives to you. I prefer to pick up hard drives physically from Microcenter for this reason, it means that I can properly "baby" those fragile drives all the way home.
    - babypuncher 5y ago
      Sample size of one customer with a bad experience, or a sample size of two bad drives.
- _ph_ 5y ago
  Seconded. I have many Toshiba drives, always very happy with them.
- mgerdts 5y ago
  Toshiba spun off their flash storage as Kioxia. WD and Kioxia are considering a merger.
wmf 5y ago
This kind of thinking won't help you. There are three HDD vendors (and not many more SSD vendors) and they've all screwed their customers multiple times.
- TillE 5y ago
  It sucks that there's no real alternative to meticulous research before any purchase, but that's how it is. WD's recent weirdness with the Red drives has pushed me to just spend the extra money for SSDs. I've been happy with Samsung's high-end products but I'm sure there are caveats.
agumonkey 5y ago
Backblaze publishes stats regularly. It's probably the nicest source of HDD data available on the web.
lostlogin 5y ago
After the last WD episode, I went Seagate for spinning ones. They have been great, although aren’t the quietest. I use Samsung for solid state - their Evo series are very good. The m2 Pro 980s are seriously fast.
- lostlogin 5y ago
  ... And now it seems Samsung are on a similar path with parts switching. https://hexus.net/tech/news/storage/148295-samsung-latest-ssd-maker-spotted-swapping-components/ https://hexus.net/tech/news/storage/148295-samsung-latest-ss...
cronix 5y ago
Very happy with Sabrent Rocket 4 Plus. It's just simply blazing fast if you're after M.2 NVMe PCIe4. I believe they're using micron memory. https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sabrent-rocket-4-plus-m2-nvme-ssd-review https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sabrent-rocket-4-plus-m...
Lammy 5y ago
> who should I be buying external HDDs from Trick question. The answer is "don't". I can't find a direct citation for external HDDs being the lowest parts-bin of drives manufactured, but the pricing tells the story enough for me. My data is valuable enough to me that I usually spend ~twice as much on a high-end drive and put it in my own enclosure. I usually go for IronWolf drives, and I'm a big fan of ICY BOX enclosures: https://icybox.de/en/product.php?id=297 https://icybox.de/en/product.php?id=297
- pickledcods 5y ago
  The thing I greatly dislike about Ironwolf is that it displays a nonsense value for the smart attribute "Raw_Read_Error_Rate". I have no idea to how to extract the actual error rate, if any.
  - DiabloD3 5y ago
    Seagate has used an odd encoded value for this for years. You're attempting to read a raw value, which is meant for Seagate's internal tools. This is all documented. smartctl knows how to parse it, it just never does by default (a long-standing bug that isn't high priority enough to fix). Do `smartctl -a -v 1,raw48:54 /dev/xxx`, or `-v 7,raw48:54` for raw seek. However, these values have never been useful to diagnose a drive as failing before data corruption appears (and it gets kicked of a raid), in my experience.
    - pickledcods 5y ago
      Thank you for the insight!
AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
Seagate. They have a bad reputation for reliability, but my experience is that it is overblown. Keep proper backups and use the warranty if it fails within that period. If it fails outside of it chances are there are even denser drives for less money on the market anyway. Meanwhile, they're cheap and Seagate never pulled that SMR-in-NAS-disks shit that WD and a few others did.
dragontamer 5y ago
Toshiba and Seagate. Hitachi split into WD (aka HGST) and Toshiba. This WD dumbassery seems like its mostly on the WD side. I'm not aware of any dumb decisions being made on the HGST-side of the WD company yet. It should also be noted that Sandisk is also owned by WD.

So HN, who should I be buying external HDDs from anymore? Because this is the last straw for me with WD

by ep103 5y ago

So HN, who should I be buying external HDDs from anymore? Because this is the last straw for me with WD

thg 5y ago

Toshiba.

babypuncher 5y ago
It's a sample size of one, but the worst recent HDD I bought was a Toshiba. I got it in, and within a week I was getting SMART warnings about a high number of reallocated sectors (accompanied by strange performance characteristics. I RMA'd the drive and the replacement had the exact same issue.
- jacquesm 5y ago
  Technically that's a sample size of two.
  - dragontamer 5y ago
    Could be a sample size of one though. One of the most important things for hard drives is to keep them protected. If your shipping company screws up (see Amazon) and drops the box hard on your front porch, you may end up with a broken drive. AKA: The issue could very well not be the hard drive manufacturer, but instead the company that delivered your hard drives to you. I prefer to pick up hard drives physically from Microcenter for this reason, it means that I can properly "baby" those fragile drives all the way home.
  - babypuncher 5y ago
    Sample size of one customer with a bad experience, or a sample size of two bad drives.
_ph_ 5y ago
Seconded. I have many Toshiba drives, always very happy with them.
mgerdts 5y ago
Toshiba spun off their flash storage as Kioxia. WD and Kioxia are considering a merger.

wmf 5y ago

This kind of thinking won't help you. There are three HDD vendors (and not many more SSD vendors) and they've all screwed their customers multiple times.

TillE 5y ago
It sucks that there's no real alternative to meticulous research before any purchase, but that's how it is. WD's recent weirdness with the Red drives has pushed me to just spend the extra money for SSDs. I've been happy with Samsung's high-end products but I'm sure there are caveats.

agumonkey 5y ago

Backblaze publishes stats regularly. It's probably the nicest source of HDD data available on the web.

lostlogin 5y ago

After the last WD episode, I went Seagate for spinning ones. They have been great, although aren’t the quietest. I use Samsung for solid state - their Evo series are very good. The m2 Pro 980s are seriously fast.

lostlogin 5y ago
... And now it seems Samsung are on a similar path with parts switching. https://hexus.net/tech/news/storage/148295-samsung-latest-ssd-maker-spotted-swapping-components/ https://hexus.net/tech/news/storage/148295-samsung-latest-ss...

cronix 5y ago

Very happy with Sabrent Rocket 4 Plus. It's just simply blazing fast if you're after M.2 NVMe PCIe4. I believe they're using micron memory. https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sabrent-rocket-4-plus-m2-nvme-ssd-review https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sabrent-rocket-4-plus-m...

Lammy 5y ago

> who should I be buying external HDDs from Trick question. The answer is "don't". I can't find a direct citation for external HDDs being the lowest parts-bin of drives manufactured, but the pricing tells the story enough for me. My data is valuable enough to me that I usually spend ~twice as much on a high-end drive and put it in my own enclosure. I usually go for IronWolf drives, and I'm a big fan of ICY BOX enclosures: https://icybox.de/en/product.php?id=297 https://icybox.de/en/product.php?id=297

pickledcods 5y ago
The thing I greatly dislike about Ironwolf is that it displays a nonsense value for the smart attribute "Raw_Read_Error_Rate". I have no idea to how to extract the actual error rate, if any.
- DiabloD3 5y ago
  Seagate has used an odd encoded value for this for years. You're attempting to read a raw value, which is meant for Seagate's internal tools. This is all documented. smartctl knows how to parse it, it just never does by default (a long-standing bug that isn't high priority enough to fix). Do `smartctl -a -v 1,raw48:54 /dev/xxx`, or `-v 7,raw48:54` for raw seek. However, these values have never been useful to diagnose a drive as failing before data corruption appears (and it gets kicked of a raid), in my experience.
  - pickledcods 5y ago
    Thank you for the insight!

AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago

Seagate. They have a bad reputation for reliability, but my experience is that it is overblown. Keep proper backups and use the warranty if it fails within that period. If it fails outside of it chances are there are even denser drives for less money on the market anyway. Meanwhile, they're cheap and Seagate never pulled that SMR-in-NAS-disks shit that WD and a few others did.

dragontamer 5y ago

Toshiba and Seagate. Hitachi split into WD (aka HGST) and Toshiba. This WD dumbassery seems like its mostly on the WD side. I'm not aware of any dumb decisions being made on the HGST-side of the WD company yet. It should also be noted that Sandisk is also owned by WD.