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No, the real problem is creators/stewards in technology (e.g. most of the people here) are dumb and oblivious enough to sign on to the idea that "average joe, w
by jrm4 5y ago
No, the real problem is creators/stewards in technology (e.g. most of the people here) are dumb and oblivious enough to sign on to the idea that "average joe, who must use a baseline of our particular mix of technologies to merely get by in this world, is fully and completely consenting to the entire range of whatever those huge companies dictate because a wall of text flashed by them when they turned the thing on."
This notion is UTTER B.S. and needs to die quickly, and it is wholly unfair to put this on the users and not the creators and big companies.
(Yes, I am lawyer, and it is absolutely immoral to abuse our notions of contract law in this fashion. Gives the whole system a very bad name.)
- elliekelly 5y agoAmen. The law needs to change to require informed user consent.
- nisegami 5y agoWhat would it change? I can't think of anyone from my immediate family who would ever not give permission to a popup that requested it.
- jrm4 5y agoMore than that. When manufacturers were letting rat poop get into the ketchup, we didn't create the FDA to make sure that "rat poop" was clearly printed on the label.
- yashasolutions 5y agobrilliant way to put it
- belorn 5y agoGDPR tried to do that, and the governments charged to enforce it decided to not enforce it. It is one of the primary reason why there are people saying that only a few single digit percent of websites actually comply with GDPR, and why consent popup that most sites use do not actually conform to the law.
- jrm4 5y agoFor sure. I was still glad to see it though; I think there's a lot of pressure for laws and policies to be exact, but honestly, in the very-quickly-moving world of tech, we should actually -- ha, fail early and often, even when it comes to policy.
- smoldesu 5y agoHow do you feel about software licensing, then? GPL and BSD licenses are certainly too long and heady for the "average joe" to understand when installing software, yet they're an essential part of software freedom. Are they also being exploitative, since they're subjecting the user to conditions they're unaware of?
- jrm4 5y agoOf course not, this should be obvious. The conditions themselves are not exploitative. The terms matter. (edited to sound a bit nicer)
- Too 5y agoIANL but just installing and using GPL software is not subjecting the user to any exploitative conditions. Only if the user tries to create a derivative work (linking) and redistribute that.
- jrm4 5y agoIAAL and yep :)
- hammyhavoc 5y agoSeeing such passion rekindles my faith in the world.