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Did you miss the part of the fda statement this week where they said they have no long term data available?

jjuel 5y ago
Do you also realize the disease has only been around for maybe around 2 years at most? So we really have no long term data on effects from getting COVID naturally either. Considering we have plenty of data on other vaccines being quite safe in the long term. I would rather play that game than the "I am relatively healthy so I'll risk getting a deadly disease" I am aware I could still get COVID while vaccinated, but I also know that the chances of getting serious illness while vaccinated are much much lower than if I wasn't.
- vibrato2 5y ago
  We have no encouraging long term data from any mRNA therapy. this is brand new. The animal tests were concerning to put it mildly. Your chances of serious illness are lower for now. ADE shows dose dependent acceleration, so by the 4th or 5th booster it may be a different story.
  - obelos 5y ago
    What animal tests? Are there even any hypothesized mechanisms by which an mRNA therapy, as a general method, would produce long term consequences? It's fragile and decomposes in the body over the course of a couple weeks, leaving no trace except whatever proteins the sequence describes. That's not to say the specific proteins produced couldn't engender longer-term consequences, but I'm missing how that can be generalized to human-devised mRNA in total.
  - kemayo 5y ago
    This says that there was a viral Facebook post making claims about animal tests, which are very much wrong: https://fullfact.org/online/covid-vaccine-animal-testing/ https://fullfact.org/online/covid-vaccine-animal-testing/ Also, this says that the covid vaccines specifically passed animal trials: https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-vaccine-animal/fact-check-covid-19-vaccines-did-not-skip-animal-trials-because-of-animal-deaths-idUSL2N2NJ1IK https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-vaccine-anim...
    - vibrato2 5y ago
      Of course they “didn’t skip animal tests due to the animals dying” the animals couldn’t have died if they skipped the test! Use primary sources for scientific arguments.

Do you also realize the disease has only been around for maybe around 2 years at most? So we really have no long term data on effects from getting COVID naturally either. Considering we have plenty of data on other vaccines being quite safe in the long term. I would rather play that game than the "I am relatively healthy so I'll risk getting a deadly disease" I am aware I could still get COVID while vaccinated, but I also know that the chances of getting serious illness while vaccinated are much much lower than if I wasn't.

vibrato2 5y ago
We have no encouraging long term data from any mRNA therapy. this is brand new. The animal tests were concerning to put it mildly. Your chances of serious illness are lower for now. ADE shows dose dependent acceleration, so by the 4th or 5th booster it may be a different story.
- obelos 5y ago
  What animal tests? Are there even any hypothesized mechanisms by which an mRNA therapy, as a general method, would produce long term consequences? It's fragile and decomposes in the body over the course of a couple weeks, leaving no trace except whatever proteins the sequence describes. That's not to say the specific proteins produced couldn't engender longer-term consequences, but I'm missing how that can be generalized to human-devised mRNA in total.
- kemayo 5y ago
  This says that there was a viral Facebook post making claims about animal tests, which are very much wrong: https://fullfact.org/online/covid-vaccine-animal-testing/ https://fullfact.org/online/covid-vaccine-animal-testing/ Also, this says that the covid vaccines specifically passed animal trials: https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-vaccine-animal/fact-check-covid-19-vaccines-did-not-skip-animal-trials-because-of-animal-deaths-idUSL2N2NJ1IK https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-vaccine-anim...
  - vibrato2 5y ago
    Of course they “didn’t skip animal tests due to the animals dying” the animals couldn’t have died if they skipped the test! Use primary sources for scientific arguments.