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Do a second of objective thought.

by tomlin 5y ago

dang 5y ago
Hey - you're seriously breaking the site guidelines here by attacking other users. Not cool, please stop. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html As for the topic - thoughtful critique is welcome but you're not really doing that. I'm a bit perplexed why this startup, of all startups, is the one that set you off, but ok - we all go on tilt sometimes. Still, please follow the site guidelines. Edit: here's an example of what I mean by thoughtful critique: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28327948 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28327948. That commenter is bringing up what (I think?) is the same point you're objecting to ("do you think vendors won’t do everything to make your access more difficult or cut you off completely"), but it's a fine comment and obviously part of curious conversation, which is what HN threads are for. If you could comment more like that, we'd appreciate it. If you can't or don't want to, that's fine, but then please don't post.
- tomlin 5y ago
  I intend to be better. I don't know if asking someone to look at something objectively is exactly "attacking other users." Boosting false business is not acceptable in society. It shouldn't be here. And if that offends you so much where you need to ban me, then you've proven my point exactly. As a member of society, and a member of this community, I'm frankly getting sick of watching this community boost nonsense. Remember Color? What good reason did this community have for pushing that? Why is it /still/ pushing concepts as empty as that one was in 2021? Read up on the damage that boasting bad business does to communities, families, the economy. Putting light on that is not "attacking users." Being banned, or muted on a platform that's trying to re-imagine another economic meltdown is OK by me, just in case you need to know. If this was a MLM, we could just label it and be done with it. Instead, what we have are an increasing number of businesses with huge floors that give way under the smallest bit of scrutiny. This sort of dialog - the one where you say I'm out of line for suggesting that economic collapses begin and end on this negative feedback loop of – is – let's face it – the same sort of mentality as the economic collapse of 2008. The wall street execs that peddled garbage at society's cost - they too thought they were doing god's work. Subprime mortgages. Impossible data transfer services that rely on your service having access to TOS-breaking APIs, balanced on seed money. Different branding. Same end result. We'll leave it at that.
  - dang 5y ago
    "Do a second of objective thought" was plainly attacking another user. Everything else you've written is irrelevant to the moderation issue here. The moderation issue is simply that you're not allowed to break the site guidelines like that. It has nothing to do with your opinions about business or anything else. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
    - tomlin 5y ago
      Plainly? The dictionary doesn’t agree with you. Plainly. noun noun: attack; plural noun: attacks an aggressive and violent action against a person or place. "he was killed in an attack on a checkpoint" Plainly, you don’t want me criticizing a YC startup. I can do a search on this site and find far more « attacking », difference being that those comments aren’t directed towards YC start ups. Plainly.
      - dang 5y ago
        That's really not it. I don't care who you were criticizing; I care about HN not destroying itself. It's my job to try to prevent that. People criticize YC startups on HN every day. Just look at the beating these guys took in their launch post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28247379 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28247379. No objective reader would look at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28328010 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28328010 and see anything other than an insult. No more of this, please.
        tomlin 5y ago
        I respect you and what you're trying to do. I think being able to edit a comment after reflection might have helped in this case.

Do a second of objective thought.

by tomlin 5y ago

Do a second of objective thought.

dang 5y ago

Hey - you're seriously breaking the site guidelines here by attacking other users. Not cool, please stop. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html As for the topic - thoughtful critique is welcome but you're not really doing that. I'm a bit perplexed why this startup, of all startups, is the one that set you off, but ok - we all go on tilt sometimes. Still, please follow the site guidelines. Edit: here's an example of what I mean by thoughtful critique: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28327948 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28327948. That commenter is bringing up what (I think?) is the same point you're objecting to ("do you think vendors won’t do everything to make your access more difficult or cut you off completely"), but it's a fine comment and obviously part of curious conversation, which is what HN threads are for. If you could comment more like that, we'd appreciate it. If you can't or don't want to, that's fine, but then please don't post.

tomlin 5y ago
I intend to be better. I don't know if asking someone to look at something objectively is exactly "attacking other users." Boosting false business is not acceptable in society. It shouldn't be here. And if that offends you so much where you need to ban me, then you've proven my point exactly. As a member of society, and a member of this community, I'm frankly getting sick of watching this community boost nonsense. Remember Color? What good reason did this community have for pushing that? Why is it /still/ pushing concepts as empty as that one was in 2021? Read up on the damage that boasting bad business does to communities, families, the economy. Putting light on that is not "attacking users." Being banned, or muted on a platform that's trying to re-imagine another economic meltdown is OK by me, just in case you need to know. If this was a MLM, we could just label it and be done with it. Instead, what we have are an increasing number of businesses with huge floors that give way under the smallest bit of scrutiny. This sort of dialog - the one where you say I'm out of line for suggesting that economic collapses begin and end on this negative feedback loop of – is – let's face it – the same sort of mentality as the economic collapse of 2008. The wall street execs that peddled garbage at society's cost - they too thought they were doing god's work. Subprime mortgages. Impossible data transfer services that rely on your service having access to TOS-breaking APIs, balanced on seed money. Different branding. Same end result. We'll leave it at that.
- dang 5y ago
  "Do a second of objective thought" was plainly attacking another user. Everything else you've written is irrelevant to the moderation issue here. The moderation issue is simply that you're not allowed to break the site guidelines like that. It has nothing to do with your opinions about business or anything else. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
  - tomlin 5y ago
    Plainly? The dictionary doesn’t agree with you. Plainly. noun noun: attack; plural noun: attacks an aggressive and violent action against a person or place. "he was killed in an attack on a checkpoint" Plainly, you don’t want me criticizing a YC startup. I can do a search on this site and find far more « attacking », difference being that those comments aren’t directed towards YC start ups. Plainly.
    - dang 5y ago
      That's really not it. I don't care who you were criticizing; I care about HN not destroying itself. It's my job to try to prevent that. People criticize YC startups on HN every day. Just look at the beating these guys took in their launch post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28247379 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28247379. No objective reader would look at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28328010 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28328010 and see anything other than an insult. No more of this, please.
      - tomlin 5y ago
        I respect you and what you're trying to do. I think being able to edit a comment after reflection might have helped in this case.