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I think people in high risk groups should get it, i.e., the elderly and people with weak immune systems or other health issues. Those who are strong health wis

by mc32 5y ago

I think people in high risk groups should get it, i.e., the elderly and people with weak immune systems or other health issues. Those who are strong health wise ok, they stand a good chance. That said, I am totally against this blanket insistence on passports. There may be some situations which warrant vaccinations where the subject has no acquired immunity, health workers, etc. But being denied access to govt services because you lack the papers is not a good thing. Edit: asking for a mask is okay. I don’t think that’s too much to ask. It’s when they require proof of vaccination that I have problem (mind you, I’m vaccinated).

lowercased 5y ago
> But being denied access to govt services because you lack the papers is not a good thing. What gov services are people being denied? legit question - I hear this, but unsure what is being referred to. How about "vaccine proof or wear a mask" to get/access govt services/buildings/etc?
- mc32 5y ago
  That works for me. This is a compromise I agree with.
- mattrighetti 5y ago
  Not really a govt service but here in Italy my friends can't enter college (the structure itself) without a green pass, and exams have to be taken in person.
- oceanplexian 5y ago
  Public funded education is a government service.
- hosteur 5y ago
  In ny country, the library for example. Also some public baths. But my main concern is the restrictions on freedom of movement.
giantg2 5y ago
At least places like Isreal issue you a green pass for naturally acquired immunity. In the US, people with natural antibodies who are refusing the vaccine are being fired. Basically measuring output rather than outcomes (for all you PMs out there).
- mc32 5y ago
  That would seem to be a logical choice. I would welcome this decision in the US.
kiba 5y ago
Wearing a mask is a mild annoyance. With vaccine, you might suffer side effects, but even that is short term. It's basically no-brainer, since getting infected with the virus is more likely to kill you than getting the vaccine. The only reason people are not getting the vaccine is for various reasons they don't trust that the vaccine is going to help them. Everything else is justification.
- vibrato2 5y ago
  Did you miss the part of the fda statement this week where they said they have no long term data available?
  - jjuel 5y ago
    Do you also realize the disease has only been around for maybe around 2 years at most? So we really have no long term data on effects from getting COVID naturally either. Considering we have plenty of data on other vaccines being quite safe in the long term. I would rather play that game than the "I am relatively healthy so I'll risk getting a deadly disease" I am aware I could still get COVID while vaccinated, but I also know that the chances of getting serious illness while vaccinated are much much lower than if I wasn't.
    - vibrato2 5y ago
      We have no encouraging long term data from any mRNA therapy. this is brand new. The animal tests were concerning to put it mildly. Your chances of serious illness are lower for now. ADE shows dose dependent acceleration, so by the 4th or 5th booster it may be a different story.
      - obelos 5y ago
        What animal tests? Are there even any hypothesized mechanisms by which an mRNA therapy, as a general method, would produce long term consequences? It's fragile and decomposes in the body over the course of a couple weeks, leaving no trace except whatever proteins the sequence describes. That's not to say the specific proteins produced couldn't engender longer-term consequences, but I'm missing how that can be generalized to human-devised mRNA in total.
Tenoke 5y ago
In Europe you can show a recent test or your Vax passport anywhere (e.g. you need one or the other to travel or go to the gym) and I really don't see the issue. I'm glad there's a way to ensure only low risk people are in the places I go to and the privacy risks are comparable or smaller than for things with lesser benefits.

by mc32 5y ago

lowercased 5y ago

> But being denied access to govt services because you lack the papers is not a good thing. What gov services are people being denied? legit question - I hear this, but unsure what is being referred to. How about "vaccine proof or wear a mask" to get/access govt services/buildings/etc?

mc32 5y ago
That works for me. This is a compromise I agree with.
mattrighetti 5y ago
Not really a govt service but here in Italy my friends can't enter college (the structure itself) without a green pass, and exams have to be taken in person.
oceanplexian 5y ago
Public funded education is a government service.
hosteur 5y ago
In ny country, the library for example. Also some public baths. But my main concern is the restrictions on freedom of movement.

giantg2 5y ago

At least places like Isreal issue you a green pass for naturally acquired immunity. In the US, people with natural antibodies who are refusing the vaccine are being fired. Basically measuring output rather than outcomes (for all you PMs out there).

mc32 5y ago
That would seem to be a logical choice. I would welcome this decision in the US.

kiba 5y ago

Wearing a mask is a mild annoyance. With vaccine, you might suffer side effects, but even that is short term. It's basically no-brainer, since getting infected with the virus is more likely to kill you than getting the vaccine. The only reason people are not getting the vaccine is for various reasons they don't trust that the vaccine is going to help them. Everything else is justification.

vibrato2 5y ago
Did you miss the part of the fda statement this week where they said they have no long term data available?
- jjuel 5y ago
  Do you also realize the disease has only been around for maybe around 2 years at most? So we really have no long term data on effects from getting COVID naturally either. Considering we have plenty of data on other vaccines being quite safe in the long term. I would rather play that game than the "I am relatively healthy so I'll risk getting a deadly disease" I am aware I could still get COVID while vaccinated, but I also know that the chances of getting serious illness while vaccinated are much much lower than if I wasn't.
  - vibrato2 5y ago
    We have no encouraging long term data from any mRNA therapy. this is brand new. The animal tests were concerning to put it mildly. Your chances of serious illness are lower for now. ADE shows dose dependent acceleration, so by the 4th or 5th booster it may be a different story.
    - obelos 5y ago
      What animal tests? Are there even any hypothesized mechanisms by which an mRNA therapy, as a general method, would produce long term consequences? It's fragile and decomposes in the body over the course of a couple weeks, leaving no trace except whatever proteins the sequence describes. That's not to say the specific proteins produced couldn't engender longer-term consequences, but I'm missing how that can be generalized to human-devised mRNA in total.

Tenoke 5y ago

In Europe you can show a recent test or your Vax passport anywhere (e.g. you need one or the other to travel or go to the gym) and I really don't see the issue. I'm glad there's a way to ensure only low risk people are in the places I go to and the privacy risks are comparable or smaller than for things with lesser benefits.