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Not _those_ parts. We're talking ceramic cased hardened ICs with gold plated leads and stuff like that (see https://habr.com/ru/post/156049/ https://habr.com/ru

by m0zg 5y ago

Not _those_ parts. We're talking ceramic cased hardened ICs with gold plated leads and stuff like that (see https://habr.com/ru/post/156049/ https://habr.com/ru/post/156049/). Stuff that goes into space and to nuclear power stations in particular is the very highest grade available, no expense spared. You may still find it at flea markets from time to time (surplus or desoldered), but you're unlikely to find it in quantity. Russia does not build its weapons and space tech from "flea market" grade parts. It never did. It's one of the very few areas of the economy that haven't completely fallen apart during the 90s, long delays in payroll notwithstanding.

trhway 5y ago
>Not _those_ parts. well, one of the source of our parts were missile guidance modules from a used hardware dumps in our Navy base town :) >Russia does not build its weapons and space tech from "flea market" grade parts. don't worry, the parts were real deal, just not available through official channels anymore, and they bought on the flea market much more parts than was needed, tested all of them and sent to the Mir those which tested best. After all they were old school professionals. The people like this was that part "that haven't completely fallen apart during the 90s", and which brought the country through the 90s. And wrt. weapons - nobody probably told you about electronic bays completely gutted in 90s for the "gold plated contacts" electronics even on active duty military systems like Navy ships for example. The things did fall apart during 90s much more than you seem to be imagining. >Stuff that goes into space and to nuclear power stations in particular is the very highest grade available, no expense spared. and that reminded me about the nuclear powered cruiser "Petr the Great". At some point i worked together with 2 accountants who had before been accountants at that Navy yards which was building "Petr the Great" and they worked on that project. They told me a lot, in particular about the state the cruiser was launched and delivered at (like completely missing almost all electronics as it was stolen each time despite having been ordered several times). Anyway, publicly available, that is just a minor item compare to the whole picture - rupture of the steam pipe of the ship's power plant killing 5 because the pipe had thinner walls and was of worse quality metal than what was specified in the design doc. https://lenta.ru/articles/2004/03/24/petr/ https://lenta.ru/articles/2004/03/24/petr/
- m0zg 5y ago
  It's you who's "imagining" things. I actually was _there_ in the 90s, getting through university with a specialization in weapons design (rocket guidance systems mostly). My summer practice (aka "internship" in the West, I suppose, except you don't get to choose where to go) was at weapons design bureaus, which were somewhat decrepit at the time, but most definitely did not have the need to shop for surplus parts of unknown quality. In fact, even if you wanted to, at those places you couldn't bring anything in or out. Not even notes. Yeah, yeah, man. As we all know pipes never rupture in the West, and there are never any crappy O-rings in Shuttle boosters. Ceramic tiles never fall off, either.
  - pbaka 5y ago
    I see from your last sentence you are ready for the worldwide takeover by the well meaning people. You know your place, you learned your lesson, you will have a job when they come. That's also good because they won't need to keep a record of this comment in their databases in the Cloud for later use. /s /c

by m0zg 5y ago

trhway 5y ago

>Not _those_ parts. well, one of the source of our parts were missile guidance modules from a used hardware dumps in our Navy base town :) >Russia does not build its weapons and space tech from "flea market" grade parts. don't worry, the parts were real deal, just not available through official channels anymore, and they bought on the flea market much more parts than was needed, tested all of them and sent to the Mir those which tested best. After all they were old school professionals. The people like this was that part "that haven't completely fallen apart during the 90s", and which brought the country through the 90s. And wrt. weapons - nobody probably told you about electronic bays completely gutted in 90s for the "gold plated contacts" electronics even on active duty military systems like Navy ships for example. The things did fall apart during 90s much more than you seem to be imagining. >Stuff that goes into space and to nuclear power stations in particular is the very highest grade available, no expense spared. and that reminded me about the nuclear powered cruiser "Petr the Great". At some point i worked together with 2 accountants who had before been accountants at that Navy yards which was building "Petr the Great" and they worked on that project. They told me a lot, in particular about the state the cruiser was launched and delivered at (like completely missing almost all electronics as it was stolen each time despite having been ordered several times). Anyway, publicly available, that is just a minor item compare to the whole picture - rupture of the steam pipe of the ship's power plant killing 5 because the pipe had thinner walls and was of worse quality metal than what was specified in the design doc. https://lenta.ru/articles/2004/03/24/petr/ https://lenta.ru/articles/2004/03/24/petr/

m0zg 5y ago
It's you who's "imagining" things. I actually was _there_ in the 90s, getting through university with a specialization in weapons design (rocket guidance systems mostly). My summer practice (aka "internship" in the West, I suppose, except you don't get to choose where to go) was at weapons design bureaus, which were somewhat decrepit at the time, but most definitely did not have the need to shop for surplus parts of unknown quality. In fact, even if you wanted to, at those places you couldn't bring anything in or out. Not even notes. Yeah, yeah, man. As we all know pipes never rupture in the West, and there are never any crappy O-rings in Shuttle boosters. Ceramic tiles never fall off, either.
- pbaka 5y ago
  I see from your last sentence you are ready for the worldwide takeover by the well meaning people. You know your place, you learned your lesson, you will have a job when they come. That's also good because they won't need to keep a record of this comment in their databases in the Cloud for later use. /s /c