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Is it apparent to the sponsor when someone is watching using youtube-dlp versus a regular view? I'd imagine most sponsored segments are negotiated based on subs

by Forbo 5y ago

Is it apparent to the sponsor when someone is watching using youtube-dlp versus a regular view? I'd imagine most sponsored segments are negotiated based on subscriber count or view numbers.

crtasm 5y ago
I don't believe the view counter gets incremented when using any unofficial front-end/downloader.
- boolemancer 5y ago
  How would Google's backend know whether the traffic comes from their own frontend vs a utility like youtube-dl (assume for the sake of argument that the utility is trying to make the traffic look like normal YouTube traffic)?
  - judge2020 5y ago
    Youtube proper does a lot of JS, eg. a view is usually only counted after ~30 seconds[0] and does other things like logging the current timecode so that it can return to that time in case the user clicks off the video and returns to it later[1]. 0: https://www.tubics.com/blog/what-counts-as-a-view-on-youtube/#:~:text=The%20user%20watches%20it%20on%20the%20platform%20for%C2%A0at%20least%2030%20seconds https://www.tubics.com/blog/what-counts-as-a-view-on-youtube.... 1: https://i.judge.sh/rare/Cherry/chrome_H0p9bAoLgy.png https://i.judge.sh/rare/Cherry/chrome_H0p9bAoLgy.png the red line is how far in i've watched.
  - corobo 5y ago
    If the actual video URL is somehow grabbable from the API you might miss whatever triggers a +1 view from the website in theory
- banana_giraffe 5y ago
  It does, it shows up as a "Other YouTube features" for the source. Though, YouTube seems to do some aggressive deduping here, if I download from 5 different IPs, excluding the IP I'm logged into YouTube's services, I see 5 views. If I download 50 times from one IP, I see one view.
  - crtasm 5y ago
    Good to know, thanks for the correction!
judge2020 5y ago
Sponsors might ask for some of the creator's analytics, eg. raid: shadow legends probably isn't going to sponsor channels that have very low mobile viewership compared to desktop. There are also paid analytics tools, eg. VidIQ, which can make good guesses about some metrics.

by Forbo 5y ago

Is it apparent to the sponsor when someone is watching using youtube-dlp versus a regular view? I'd imagine most sponsored segments are negotiated based on subscriber count or view numbers.

crtasm 5y ago

I don't believe the view counter gets incremented when using any unofficial front-end/downloader.

boolemancer 5y ago
How would Google's backend know whether the traffic comes from their own frontend vs a utility like youtube-dl (assume for the sake of argument that the utility is trying to make the traffic look like normal YouTube traffic)?
- judge2020 5y ago
  Youtube proper does a lot of JS, eg. a view is usually only counted after ~30 seconds[0] and does other things like logging the current timecode so that it can return to that time in case the user clicks off the video and returns to it later[1]. 0: https://www.tubics.com/blog/what-counts-as-a-view-on-youtube/#:~:text=The%20user%20watches%20it%20on%20the%20platform%20for%C2%A0at%20least%2030%20seconds https://www.tubics.com/blog/what-counts-as-a-view-on-youtube.... 1: https://i.judge.sh/rare/Cherry/chrome_H0p9bAoLgy.png https://i.judge.sh/rare/Cherry/chrome_H0p9bAoLgy.png the red line is how far in i've watched.
- corobo 5y ago
  If the actual video URL is somehow grabbable from the API you might miss whatever triggers a +1 view from the website in theory
banana_giraffe 5y ago
It does, it shows up as a "Other YouTube features" for the source. Though, YouTube seems to do some aggressive deduping here, if I download from 5 different IPs, excluding the IP I'm logged into YouTube's services, I see 5 views. If I download 50 times from one IP, I see one view.
- crtasm 5y ago
  Good to know, thanks for the correction!

judge2020 5y ago

Sponsors might ask for some of the creator's analytics, eg. raid: shadow legends probably isn't going to sponsor channels that have very low mobile viewership compared to desktop. There are also paid analytics tools, eg. VidIQ, which can make good guesses about some metrics.