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I would imagine the intent of this "surrealist approach" is to disincentivize the commodification of housing (as a form of political pressure against consolidat

by advrs 5y ago

I would imagine the intent of this "surrealist approach" is to disincentivize the commodification of housing (as a form of political pressure against consolidation of large real estate portfolios)

munk-a 5y ago
It'd be really interesting to see some laws like that in Canada - if only by the letter - as a way to discourage buying empty homes for investment. From reading other points in the thread it seems like owning a home for investment in France is an extremely risky proposition.
- Bayart 5y ago
  >From reading other points in the thread it seems like owning a home for investment in France is an extremely risky proposition. The amount of people owning property and the size of the real estate market says otherwise. Squatting is just one of those things with an over-sized media footprint.
  - BrandoElFollito 5y ago
    > The amount of people owning property and the size of the real estate market says otherwise You usually buy to rent. renting is ultra-complex in France as well but at least you know what you are getting into. > Squatting is just one of those things with an over-sized media footprint Right until the moment it hits you. Have you had been squatted? No? So how can you have an opinion on the impact to someone?
    - Bayart 5y ago
      >You usually buy to rent. Yes, I know. Renting is part of "investing". >Right until the moment it hits you. Have you had been squatted? No? So how can you have an opinion on the impact to someone? I'm not talking about personal impact, I'm talking about social and economic impact. Just go look at the numbers for squatting in France. It's statistically irrelevant. By your logic we should all be very concerned about things that nearly never happen. That's not a sane way of living. By the same token people should only be able to discuss things that have personally happened to them. Which is nonsense.
      - BrandoElFollito 5y ago
        > Renting is part of "investing". And? > I'm talking about social and economic impact With this approach we should not invest whatsoever in rare diseases. Or help disabled people because they are less useful for "social and economic impact". Just look at the number of rare diseases, or disabled people. They are statistically irrelevant. Screw them.
Nasrudith 5y ago
That "commoditization of housing" is a growing buzzword that doesn't make sense on face value. Commoditization is to make it fungible and easy to exchange. Housing developments, apartments, and condos go with interchangeable ones. Since the industrial revolution at least housing has been born commoditized as a norm. Economies of scale are king. If what the talking point is just trying to sinisterize "private ownership of real estate" that still doesn't make sense as an approach. It just gets squatters and promotes violence through greviances unresolvable through the legal system like how prohibition leads to drug gang fights.
csomar 5y ago
Well, in that case, it doesn't seem to be a working strategy?

by advrs 5y ago

I would imagine the intent of this "surrealist approach" is to disincentivize the commodification of housing (as a form of political pressure against consolidation of large real estate portfolios)

munk-a 5y ago

It'd be really interesting to see some laws like that in Canada - if only by the letter - as a way to discourage buying empty homes for investment. From reading other points in the thread it seems like owning a home for investment in France is an extremely risky proposition.

Bayart 5y ago
>From reading other points in the thread it seems like owning a home for investment in France is an extremely risky proposition. The amount of people owning property and the size of the real estate market says otherwise. Squatting is just one of those things with an over-sized media footprint.
- BrandoElFollito 5y ago
  > The amount of people owning property and the size of the real estate market says otherwise You usually buy to rent. renting is ultra-complex in France as well but at least you know what you are getting into. > Squatting is just one of those things with an over-sized media footprint Right until the moment it hits you. Have you had been squatted? No? So how can you have an opinion on the impact to someone?
  - Bayart 5y ago
    >You usually buy to rent. Yes, I know. Renting is part of "investing". >Right until the moment it hits you. Have you had been squatted? No? So how can you have an opinion on the impact to someone? I'm not talking about personal impact, I'm talking about social and economic impact. Just go look at the numbers for squatting in France. It's statistically irrelevant. By your logic we should all be very concerned about things that nearly never happen. That's not a sane way of living. By the same token people should only be able to discuss things that have personally happened to them. Which is nonsense.
    - BrandoElFollito 5y ago
      > Renting is part of "investing". And? > I'm talking about social and economic impact With this approach we should not invest whatsoever in rare diseases. Or help disabled people because they are less useful for "social and economic impact". Just look at the number of rare diseases, or disabled people. They are statistically irrelevant. Screw them.

Nasrudith 5y ago

That "commoditization of housing" is a growing buzzword that doesn't make sense on face value. Commoditization is to make it fungible and easy to exchange. Housing developments, apartments, and condos go with interchangeable ones. Since the industrial revolution at least housing has been born commoditized as a norm. Economies of scale are king. If what the talking point is just trying to sinisterize "private ownership of real estate" that still doesn't make sense as an approach. It just gets squatters and promotes violence through greviances unresolvable through the legal system like how prohibition leads to drug gang fights.

csomar 5y ago

Well, in that case, it doesn't seem to be a working strategy?