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Thanks for this post! First I am hearing about this fork! Darn...unfortunately still can't download Joe Rogan Spotify. Guess they haven't found a way around th

Thanks for this post! First I am hearing about this fork! Darn...unfortunately still can't download Joe Rogan Spotify. Guess they haven't found a way around the widevine encryption...(Right now it seems like only a few podcasts are encrypted so other Spotify streams work)

nerdponx 5y ago
It's always strange to think that there is encrypted data flowing through my software, through my operating system, into my hardware, that somehow I, the user, I am unable to access, but that the hardware can handle just fine. How does this work?
- kuschku 5y ago
  You can access it just fine. It’s just processed by very obfuscated code that constantly changes.
- lights0123 5y ago
  With Widevine L3, it does send your OS unencrypted data. You're free to screen record videos or audio record e.g. PulseAudio Monitor channels of your speakers. You just can't easily convert it to a DRM-free format at speeds faster than realtime.
- colejohnson66 5y ago
  One way is x86. Intel’s chips have SGX (software guard extensions) that allows code to run in “enclaves” that outside code can’t access. You can send data into the enclave and read what it spits out, but you can’t inspect (debug) it.
- joshspankit 5y ago
  HDCP is one method, as are the “safeguards” built in to the audio and video APIs on macOS (to protect them from losing revenue by recording iTunes Music (before they removed DRM) or screen capturing new movies (thus threatening the contracts with Hollywood).
  - aero-glide2 5y ago
    The OS prevents you from screen recording when a new movie is playing? You can still use a third party tool to screen record right?
    - Arnavion 5y ago
      >The OS prevents you from screen recording when a new movie is playing? Yes. >You can still use a third party tool to screen record right? The third-party tool is as stymied by the OS / video driver's API for screen capture as the first-party tool.
      - aero-glide2 5y ago
        I have no words. Wow.
        TeMPOraL 5y ago
        Right. This is not just Mac OS, same thing can happen on Windows. Modern media DRMing sometimes involves bypassing your OS entirely[0]. Audio/video streams have special hardware paths through the CPU and GPU. HDCP uses encryption to create a safe pipe between the incoming stream and your monitor, so the data can't be snooped on or modified mid-flight. Etc. -- [0] - Or at least almost entirely, I suspect at least the kernel must get involved somehow. Otherwise Widevine support wouldn't be an issue on Linux the way it is (or was).
pabs3 5y ago
I wonder if it would work with this: https://github.com/cryptonek/widevine-l3-decryptor https://github.com/cryptonek/widevine-l3-decryptor

nerdponx 5y ago

It's always strange to think that there is encrypted data flowing through my software, through my operating system, into my hardware, that somehow I, the user, I am unable to access, but that the hardware can handle just fine. How does this work?

kuschku 5y ago
You can access it just fine. It’s just processed by very obfuscated code that constantly changes.
lights0123 5y ago
With Widevine L3, it does send your OS unencrypted data. You're free to screen record videos or audio record e.g. PulseAudio Monitor channels of your speakers. You just can't easily convert it to a DRM-free format at speeds faster than realtime.
colejohnson66 5y ago
One way is x86. Intel’s chips have SGX (software guard extensions) that allows code to run in “enclaves” that outside code can’t access. You can send data into the enclave and read what it spits out, but you can’t inspect (debug) it.
joshspankit 5y ago
HDCP is one method, as are the “safeguards” built in to the audio and video APIs on macOS (to protect them from losing revenue by recording iTunes Music (before they removed DRM) or screen capturing new movies (thus threatening the contracts with Hollywood).
- aero-glide2 5y ago
  The OS prevents you from screen recording when a new movie is playing? You can still use a third party tool to screen record right?
  - Arnavion 5y ago
    >The OS prevents you from screen recording when a new movie is playing? Yes. >You can still use a third party tool to screen record right? The third-party tool is as stymied by the OS / video driver's API for screen capture as the first-party tool.
    - aero-glide2 5y ago
      I have no words. Wow.
      - TeMPOraL 5y ago
        Right. This is not just Mac OS, same thing can happen on Windows. Modern media DRMing sometimes involves bypassing your OS entirely[0]. Audio/video streams have special hardware paths through the CPU and GPU. HDCP uses encryption to create a safe pipe between the incoming stream and your monitor, so the data can't be snooped on or modified mid-flight. Etc. -- [0] - Or at least almost entirely, I suspect at least the kernel must get involved somehow. Otherwise Widevine support wouldn't be an issue on Linux the way it is (or was).

pabs3 5y ago

I wonder if it would work with this: https://github.com/cryptonek/widevine-l3-decryptor https://github.com/cryptonek/widevine-l3-decryptor