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So are you saying "If your opinions are anywhere right of woke, you get banned straight up." is an incorrect statement? The last comment tried to shift the goa

So are you saying "If your opinions are anywhere right of woke, you get banned straight up." is an incorrect statement? The last comment tried to shift the goalposts from being "banned straight up" to being suppressed through voting. Now you're trying to shift to a sometimes ban... there's also talk about not banning the people on the extreme right or not banning the "idiots" so they make the right look bad. Again, I'm not going to try to hit a moving target. The rest of your comment looks like it's trying to push the conversation off topic. I'm neither asking for anecdotes nor looking for a diatribe about your experience on Slack. A specific claim was made about censorship in a particular subreddit. I've heard that claim before, but never seen it substantiated in any way. Can you substantiate the claim? I'm asking because it sure looks like conservatives are just angry about being downvoted. That's a valid, but very different concern.

kodah 5y ago
> So are you saying "If your opinions are anywhere right of woke, you get banned straight up." is an incorrect statement? Yeah, uniform rules are rarely reality. I do think people right of woke get ostracized with fairly regular tempo, sometimes that's bans, sometimes that's through other means. > The last comment tried to shift the goalposts from being "banned straight up" to being suppressed through voting. Now you're trying to shift to a sometimes ban... there's also talk about not banning the people on the extreme right or not banning the "idiots" so they make the right look bad. It seems like you're expecting me to have much more concrete thoughts and feelings around this subject. I don't. I have my experiences, if you're willing to value them then great, if you're the kind of person that thinks anecdotes are useless then our discussion is over. I didn't sit around writing down all the details around everything I ever saw that rubbed me the wrong way over years (nearly a decade now) of internet based discourse. That's to say, I can provide you a lens to look through, I can't make you see anything you don't believe exists. > I'm asking because it sure looks like conservatives are just angry about being downvoted. That's a valid, but very different concern. I am not a conservative. I also think the two are problems likely in the same domain based on what I've read of other replies.
- falcrist 5y ago
  > I do think people right of woke get ostracized with fairly regular tempo, sometimes that's bans, sometimes that's through other means. Again. I'm talking about one specific claim. You guys keep trying to move the goalposts. Can you substantiate the claim?
  - kodah 5y ago
    > You guys keep trying to move the goalposts. I don't have a "goal post" to even move. I came here to dump some insight into the overall problem the other user was describing. Substantiate what claim? That right of woke users are always treated with a ban? No. I already said that doesn't happen, I also said I don't think the problem is that binary. Anyway, you make having a conversation on the internet completely exhausting. Good luck figuring out whatever it is that you're trying to figure out.
    - falcrist 5y ago
      > If your opinions are anywhere right of woke, you get banned straight up. This is what I was disputing. That's the goalpost. The conversation is exhausting because everyone wants to dance around this claim rather than simply addressing it directly. From my end it feels like pulling teeth. I don't see evidence of the statement. I don't see evidence that the the statement is applied inconsistently. I don't see evidence of moderates being targeted with bans. I don't even see evidence that bans are politically motivated in the first place. I've seen this complaint a lot, but it never gets substantiated. It's just thrown out there like we should all automatically agree with it. Well I don't automatically agree. Please forgive my single-mindedness on this topic, but I'd like to see something substantiating the claim being made. Once we can agree whether this is happening, then maybe I'd be willing to move to a different conversation (like voting).

kodah 5y ago

> So are you saying "If your opinions are anywhere right of woke, you get banned straight up." is an incorrect statement? Yeah, uniform rules are rarely reality. I do think people right of woke get ostracized with fairly regular tempo, sometimes that's bans, sometimes that's through other means. > The last comment tried to shift the goalposts from being "banned straight up" to being suppressed through voting. Now you're trying to shift to a sometimes ban... there's also talk about not banning the people on the extreme right or not banning the "idiots" so they make the right look bad. It seems like you're expecting me to have much more concrete thoughts and feelings around this subject. I don't. I have my experiences, if you're willing to value them then great, if you're the kind of person that thinks anecdotes are useless then our discussion is over. I didn't sit around writing down all the details around everything I ever saw that rubbed me the wrong way over years (nearly a decade now) of internet based discourse. That's to say, I can provide you a lens to look through, I can't make you see anything you don't believe exists. > I'm asking because it sure looks like conservatives are just angry about being downvoted. That's a valid, but very different concern. I am not a conservative. I also think the two are problems likely in the same domain based on what I've read of other replies.

falcrist 5y ago
> I do think people right of woke get ostracized with fairly regular tempo, sometimes that's bans, sometimes that's through other means. Again. I'm talking about one specific claim. You guys keep trying to move the goalposts. Can you substantiate the claim?
- kodah 5y ago
  > You guys keep trying to move the goalposts. I don't have a "goal post" to even move. I came here to dump some insight into the overall problem the other user was describing. Substantiate what claim? That right of woke users are always treated with a ban? No. I already said that doesn't happen, I also said I don't think the problem is that binary. Anyway, you make having a conversation on the internet completely exhausting. Good luck figuring out whatever it is that you're trying to figure out.
  - falcrist 5y ago
    > If your opinions are anywhere right of woke, you get banned straight up. This is what I was disputing. That's the goalpost. The conversation is exhausting because everyone wants to dance around this claim rather than simply addressing it directly. From my end it feels like pulling teeth. I don't see evidence of the statement. I don't see evidence that the the statement is applied inconsistently. I don't see evidence of moderates being targeted with bans. I don't even see evidence that bans are politically motivated in the first place. I've seen this complaint a lot, but it never gets substantiated. It's just thrown out there like we should all automatically agree with it. Well I don't automatically agree. Please forgive my single-mindedness on this topic, but I'd like to see something substantiating the claim being made. Once we can agree whether this is happening, then maybe I'd be willing to move to a different conversation (like voting).