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What do mean by "people like me"? What country are you referring to? If you're in the USA, then it's the one of the safest areas in the world. Do you realize t

What do mean by "people like me"? What country are you referring to? If you're in the USA, then it's the one of the safest areas in the world. Do you realize the reason you don't deal with lawless people is because of the police? There's a lot of accountability and procedure in policing here. For every bad news story there are millions of daily encounters with some of the worst offenders that you're fortunate to never deal with. > "So yeah, I do believe state sanctioned violence is worse for the majority of people." This is beyond ridiculous, especially in the comments of an article describing people being beaten and thrown out of their homes with extrajudicial violence. Is your suggestion that they're better off this way without any protection or oversight and instead left on their own? Do you really think billions of people around the world agree with you? > "Oh and if I try to defend myself from an attacking cop I go to prison for decades." An attacking cop means you've started a fight with the police, so the advice is to not do that. But are you implying that you'll do better against some attacking gang instead? It's seems like you have not experienced any serious danger because you'll change your opinion very quickly in the face of unchecked criminal activity. It's easy to make sweeping statements from your safe and comfortable home but it's highly unlikely you would enjoy, let alone survive, in places with less rule of law.

aaomidi 5y ago
> What do mean by "people like me"? You can make a guess at that and assume what you want. > There's a lot of accountability and procedure in policing here. For every bad news story there are millions of daily encounters amongst some of the worst people that you're fortunate to never encounter. No, there isn't. Cops can do literally anything they want to you with minimal/no repercussions. If I defend myself against an aggressive cop I'm getting a felony and going to prison for decades. > This is beyond ridiculous, especially in the comments of an article describing people being beaten and thrown out of their homes with extrajudicial violence. Is your suggestion that they're better off this way without any protection or governmental oversight and instead left on their own? Do you really think billions of people around the world agree with you? Actually - argubly yes. I do believe in no state sanctioned violence. Someone removing me from a place I'm living would think twice if they knew I was armed/had weapons. I could rely on the protection of my network and my community, rather than the protection of some cop that lives two hours away from the area they're supposedly serving and protecting. > An attacking cop means you've started a fight with the police, so the advice is to not do that. But are you implying that you'll do better against some attacking gang instead? So let me get this straight, cops don't harass people in your opinion? I really wish that I didn't have the experience with cops that I've had - maybe I could stay ignorant like you about police violence. > It's seems like you have not experienced any serious danger because you'll change your opinion very quickly in the face of unchecked criminal activity. It's easy to make sweeping statements from your safe and comfortable home but it's highly unlikely you would enjoy, let alone survive, in places with less rule of law. Again you know nothing about me, where I've been, or how I've lived.
- manigandham 5y ago
  >"cops don't harass people in your opinion?" "Cops can do literally anything they want to you with minimal/no repercussions." "If I defend myself against an aggressive cop I'm getting a felony and going to prison for decades." That's not my opinion, and harass is not the same as attack. Unprovoked/unreasoned encounters are incredibly rare as to not be an issue for the vast majority. Have you even looked at the case law and statistics of police encounters? Also felony does not mean prison for decades, and defending yourself in court does not lead to a felony in the first place. Unless you mean defending yourself through violence, but then again that's against the law. > "Someone removing me from a place I'm living would think twice if they knew I was armed/had weapons." Really? Do you intend to tell all those people in mentioned in the article to just shoot back next time? How do you imagine that's going to go for them? The police is not just a single person but part of an entire apparatus that has far more reach and resources than you which is where their ability to combat crime comes from. You're not really a match for motivated criminals, but even if you were, this is clearly not the preferred solution for the majority of the population. > "You can make a guess at that and assume what you want.... you know nothing about me, where I've been, or how I've lived." Why use such vague statements then? But since you said so, I'll go ahead and assume (with extremely high confidence) that you have no experience with violence and lawless environments. I have history with both sides of the law and know career criminals with less hostile police interaction than you seem to have. In fact, police are the least of their concerns, similar to anyone who lives in dangerous places, but then again you would know that if you were familiar with such areas. Police violence is definitely an issue, but this thread is a comparison to not having any state protection at all, and just about everyone in the latter situation would happily switch places with you. But I'm pretty sure you know that, and would never take up such an offer.

aaomidi 5y ago

> What do mean by "people like me"? You can make a guess at that and assume what you want. > There's a lot of accountability and procedure in policing here. For every bad news story there are millions of daily encounters amongst some of the worst people that you're fortunate to never encounter. No, there isn't. Cops can do literally anything they want to you with minimal/no repercussions. If I defend myself against an aggressive cop I'm getting a felony and going to prison for decades. > This is beyond ridiculous, especially in the comments of an article describing people being beaten and thrown out of their homes with extrajudicial violence. Is your suggestion that they're better off this way without any protection or governmental oversight and instead left on their own? Do you really think billions of people around the world agree with you? Actually - argubly yes. I do believe in no state sanctioned violence. Someone removing me from a place I'm living would think twice if they knew I was armed/had weapons. I could rely on the protection of my network and my community, rather than the protection of some cop that lives two hours away from the area they're supposedly serving and protecting. > An attacking cop means you've started a fight with the police, so the advice is to not do that. But are you implying that you'll do better against some attacking gang instead? So let me get this straight, cops don't harass people in your opinion? I really wish that I didn't have the experience with cops that I've had - maybe I could stay ignorant like you about police violence. > It's seems like you have not experienced any serious danger because you'll change your opinion very quickly in the face of unchecked criminal activity. It's easy to make sweeping statements from your safe and comfortable home but it's highly unlikely you would enjoy, let alone survive, in places with less rule of law. Again you know nothing about me, where I've been, or how I've lived.

manigandham 5y ago
>"cops don't harass people in your opinion?" "Cops can do literally anything they want to you with minimal/no repercussions." "If I defend myself against an aggressive cop I'm getting a felony and going to prison for decades." That's not my opinion, and harass is not the same as attack. Unprovoked/unreasoned encounters are incredibly rare as to not be an issue for the vast majority. Have you even looked at the case law and statistics of police encounters? Also felony does not mean prison for decades, and defending yourself in court does not lead to a felony in the first place. Unless you mean defending yourself through violence, but then again that's against the law. > "Someone removing me from a place I'm living would think twice if they knew I was armed/had weapons." Really? Do you intend to tell all those people in mentioned in the article to just shoot back next time? How do you imagine that's going to go for them? The police is not just a single person but part of an entire apparatus that has far more reach and resources than you which is where their ability to combat crime comes from. You're not really a match for motivated criminals, but even if you were, this is clearly not the preferred solution for the majority of the population. > "You can make a guess at that and assume what you want.... you know nothing about me, where I've been, or how I've lived." Why use such vague statements then? But since you said so, I'll go ahead and assume (with extremely high confidence) that you have no experience with violence and lawless environments. I have history with both sides of the law and know career criminals with less hostile police interaction than you seem to have. In fact, police are the least of their concerns, similar to anyone who lives in dangerous places, but then again you would know that if you were familiar with such areas. Police violence is definitely an issue, but this thread is a comparison to not having any state protection at all, and just about everyone in the latter situation would happily switch places with you. But I'm pretty sure you know that, and would never take up such an offer.