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I appreciate that you took the time to elaborate in length, but that's a lot of hand-waving in here. I think it would be much more in the spirit of HN to make

I appreciate that you took the time to elaborate in length, but that's a lot of hand-waving in here. I think it would be much more in the spirit of HN to make shorter but source-backed statements.

justicezyx 5y ago
Yep, I wished I can escape from my boring programming job writing C++ code, and work full-time on historical study and political research into modern history of China and its interactions of the world. This is the best I can do. And for the most part, I am showing the rationale behind a typical Chinese person might think about the western views, and some of the historical basis. Backed by some form of limited personal experiences. For this purpose, I think despite being hand-waving, the purpose seems well-served. Edit: Hey guys, read the post, this is literally the first sentence in the post: ``` Let me shed some light on the CCP's propaganda ``` I am showing how the propaganda's effects look like... I am not advancing the argument... Stop arguing with me...
- swagasaurus-rex 5y ago
  In my western education, I was taught not to trust my government. I'm glad I can write these words without fear of jail. Some of the passages you shared sounds a lot like propaganda. Here are those: > Invasion was labeled liberation. If you look at the economy and production level of Tibet before CCP's invasion, certainly CCP have brought modern production means and built a much better economy in Tibet. You're comparing 1950's Tibet to now. Could they have not done well for themselves on their own? > As for how much was lost in the process, I don't see much. Tibetan still lives a quite traditional way. They certainly are not bothered by the CCP's presence. This could be 100% false, and you would not know. > As obviously, to maintain CCP's ruling, Tibetan have been treated much better than the mass majority elsewhere. China has used violence on the Tibetans. It's not obvious China wants to treat Tibet well. > Even their lands were largely left for their own use, because immigrants from inland do not perform farming work, and mostly live in concentrated urban area. Just because Han don't want Tibetan farmland does not mean it belongs to Tibet. Edit: Thanks for being open minded. I’m glad we can come together and have discussions on topics like these. I will gladly criticize my own government on their injustices.
  - justicezyx 5y ago
    I am certainly more open-minded than mass majority here on HN. I no longer deem it worth any gratitude. And for sure, I wish people here can start opening their mind and eyes more each time after I post some comments.
- toss1 5y ago
  Yes, you've pointed quite nicely to the kinds of arguments they make. The don't hold up to the mildest scrutiny, but they seem to suffice for most of the indoctrinated or those who choose to look the other way. What is particularly galling is to claim that on the basis of some ancient ancestral claim of dynastic emperorship, land X belonged to some supposed ancestors, and was lost for centuries, it is now somehow right to claim it again, as if it was legit to begin with... anyway, thx for the thoughtful response

I appreciate that you took the time to elaborate in length, but that's a lot of hand-waving in here. I think it would be much more in the spirit of HN to make shorter but source-backed statements.

justicezyx 5y ago

Yep, I wished I can escape from my boring programming job writing C++ code, and work full-time on historical study and political research into modern history of China and its interactions of the world. This is the best I can do. And for the most part, I am showing the rationale behind a typical Chinese person might think about the western views, and some of the historical basis. Backed by some form of limited personal experiences. For this purpose, I think despite being hand-waving, the purpose seems well-served. Edit: Hey guys, read the post, this is literally the first sentence in the post: ``` Let me shed some light on the CCP's propaganda ``` I am showing how the propaganda's effects look like... I am not advancing the argument... Stop arguing with me...

swagasaurus-rex 5y ago
In my western education, I was taught not to trust my government. I'm glad I can write these words without fear of jail. Some of the passages you shared sounds a lot like propaganda. Here are those: > Invasion was labeled liberation. If you look at the economy and production level of Tibet before CCP's invasion, certainly CCP have brought modern production means and built a much better economy in Tibet. You're comparing 1950's Tibet to now. Could they have not done well for themselves on their own? > As for how much was lost in the process, I don't see much. Tibetan still lives a quite traditional way. They certainly are not bothered by the CCP's presence. This could be 100% false, and you would not know. > As obviously, to maintain CCP's ruling, Tibetan have been treated much better than the mass majority elsewhere. China has used violence on the Tibetans. It's not obvious China wants to treat Tibet well. > Even their lands were largely left for their own use, because immigrants from inland do not perform farming work, and mostly live in concentrated urban area. Just because Han don't want Tibetan farmland does not mean it belongs to Tibet. Edit: Thanks for being open minded. I’m glad we can come together and have discussions on topics like these. I will gladly criticize my own government on their injustices.
- justicezyx 5y ago
  I am certainly more open-minded than mass majority here on HN. I no longer deem it worth any gratitude. And for sure, I wish people here can start opening their mind and eyes more each time after I post some comments.
toss1 5y ago
Yes, you've pointed quite nicely to the kinds of arguments they make. The don't hold up to the mildest scrutiny, but they seem to suffice for most of the indoctrinated or those who choose to look the other way. What is particularly galling is to claim that on the basis of some ancient ancestral claim of dynastic emperorship, land X belonged to some supposed ancestors, and was lost for centuries, it is now somehow right to claim it again, as if it was legit to begin with... anyway, thx for the thoughtful response