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Tibetans live in many parts of China outside of Tibet, including southern Gansu and Qinghai (historically known as Amdo, see https://collab.its.virginia.edu/wik

Tibetans live in many parts of China outside of Tibet, including southern Gansu and Qinghai (historically known as Amdo, see https://collab.its.virginia.edu/wiki/aboutthl/An%20Overview%20of%20Amdo%20%28Northeastern%20Tibet%29%20Historical%20Polities.html https://collab.its.virginia.edu/wiki/aboutthl/An%20Overview%...). Northern and western Sichuan province also had large populations of Tibetan people living in remote areas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ngawa_Tibetan_and_Qiang_Autonomous_Prefecture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ngawa_Tibetan_and_Qiang_Autono...), sometimes near temples such as Langmusi on the Sichuan/Gansu border. One trend that was taking place in western China when I last visited was out-migration of Han settlers from Sichuan and other more populous provinces to Xinjiang and other areas which were then dominated by ethnic minorities. This is taking place in Tibet as well: Han Chinese workers, investors, merchants, teachers and soldiers are pouring into remote Tibet. After the violence that ravaged this region in 2008, China’s aim is to make Tibet wealthier and more Chinese. Chinese leaders see development, along with an enhanced security presence, as the key to pacifying the Buddhist region. The central government invested $3 billion in the Tibet Autonomous Region last year, a 31 percent increase over 2008. Tibet’s gross domestic product is growing at a 12 percent annual rate, faster than the robust Chinese national average. https://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/25/world/asia/25tibet.html https://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/25/world/asia/25tibet.html

cucumb3rrelish 5y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Order_(Nazism) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Order_(Nazism) > Adolf Hitler in Mein Kampf argued in the chapter "Eastern Orientation or Eastern Policy" that the Germans needed Lebensraum in the East and described it as a "historic destiny" which would properly nurture the future generations of Germans > [...] was to be carried out through a rapidly enforced process of Gleichschaltung (synchronization). The ultimate intent of this was to eradicate all traces of national rather than racial consciousness, although their native languages were to remain in existence > [...] After Germany had acquired her Lebensraum, she now needed to populate these lands according to Nazi ideology and racial principles
- uniqueuid 5y ago
  I don't get why this is downvoted, because it succinctly summarizes what the Nazis did (having studied part of the phenomenon - Gleichschaltung - in depth).
  - notahacker 5y ago
    It's a tendentious, provocative and clichéd claim followed by a couple of Wikipedia quotes. There are many valid criticisms of Chinese actions and objectives in Tibet, but describing it as "exactly the same" as the Nazi approach to lebensraum which was most notable for involving the systematic extermination of the residents is insulting to the intelligence of the average HN reader as well as being likely to attract the ire of Chinese people participating on these forums.
    - cucumb3rrelish 5y ago
      > Break their lineage, break their roots, break their connections, and break their origins. Completely shovel up the roots of “two-faced people,” dig them out, and vow to fight these two-faced people until the end. Guess who said this? The Chinese official for religious affairs, on his weibo page. They aren't stupid. You don't need guns and executions for extermination of a minority, you can force resettle them across the country until nothing of their culture and little of their gens is left Here is a few statistics: > Since 2017, Chinese authorities have used various pretexts to damage or destroy two-thirds of Xinjiang’s mosques; about half of those have been demolished outright > In 2017, according to official statistics, arrests in Xinjiang accounted for nearly 21 percent of all arrests in China, despite people in Xinjiang making up only 1.5 percent of the total population https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/19/break-their-lineage-break-their-roots/chinas-crimes-against-humanity-targeting https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/19/break-their-lineage-br...
      - notahacker 5y ago
        I didn't say the Chinese government was nice, I said it was tendentious, provocative and clichéd to describe its forced assimilation policy as "exactly the same" as the Nazis' approach which involved extermination camps and assumption that the vast majority of Slavs were untermenschen unworthy of being assimilated The fact your attempt to justify the original comment involves citing some stats related to "counter terrorism" brutality and forced "reeducation" in another region which also does not remotely resemble the Nazi approach to conquest of the East tends to underline this point...
hypertele-Xii 5y ago
Pacifying... the Buddhists? I thought Buddhism is a pacifist religion?
- exolymph 5y ago
  Christianity is also a pacifist religion, but that never stopped anyone.

cucumb3rrelish 5y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Order_(Nazism) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Order_(Nazism) > Adolf Hitler in Mein Kampf argued in the chapter "Eastern Orientation or Eastern Policy" that the Germans needed Lebensraum in the East and described it as a "historic destiny" which would properly nurture the future generations of Germans > [...] was to be carried out through a rapidly enforced process of Gleichschaltung (synchronization). The ultimate intent of this was to eradicate all traces of national rather than racial consciousness, although their native languages were to remain in existence > [...] After Germany had acquired her Lebensraum, she now needed to populate these lands according to Nazi ideology and racial principles

uniqueuid 5y ago
I don't get why this is downvoted, because it succinctly summarizes what the Nazis did (having studied part of the phenomenon - Gleichschaltung - in depth).
- notahacker 5y ago
  It's a tendentious, provocative and clichéd claim followed by a couple of Wikipedia quotes. There are many valid criticisms of Chinese actions and objectives in Tibet, but describing it as "exactly the same" as the Nazi approach to lebensraum which was most notable for involving the systematic extermination of the residents is insulting to the intelligence of the average HN reader as well as being likely to attract the ire of Chinese people participating on these forums.
  - cucumb3rrelish 5y ago
    > Break their lineage, break their roots, break their connections, and break their origins. Completely shovel up the roots of “two-faced people,” dig them out, and vow to fight these two-faced people until the end. Guess who said this? The Chinese official for religious affairs, on his weibo page. They aren't stupid. You don't need guns and executions for extermination of a minority, you can force resettle them across the country until nothing of their culture and little of their gens is left Here is a few statistics: > Since 2017, Chinese authorities have used various pretexts to damage or destroy two-thirds of Xinjiang’s mosques; about half of those have been demolished outright > In 2017, according to official statistics, arrests in Xinjiang accounted for nearly 21 percent of all arrests in China, despite people in Xinjiang making up only 1.5 percent of the total population https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/19/break-their-lineage-break-their-roots/chinas-crimes-against-humanity-targeting https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/19/break-their-lineage-br...
    - notahacker 5y ago
      I didn't say the Chinese government was nice, I said it was tendentious, provocative and clichéd to describe its forced assimilation policy as "exactly the same" as the Nazis' approach which involved extermination camps and assumption that the vast majority of Slavs were untermenschen unworthy of being assimilated The fact your attempt to justify the original comment involves citing some stats related to "counter terrorism" brutality and forced "reeducation" in another region which also does not remotely resemble the Nazi approach to conquest of the East tends to underline this point...

hypertele-Xii 5y ago

Pacifying... the Buddhists? I thought Buddhism is a pacifist religion?

exolymph 5y ago
Christianity is also a pacifist religion, but that never stopped anyone.