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A great deal is FOSS. Look on github. All my apps are gpl. The move away from libhybris is just a matter of time. And jolla has more experience in the space tha
by poetaster 5y ago
A great deal is FOSS. Look on github. All my apps are gpl. The move away from libhybris is just a matter of time. And jolla has more experience in the space than anyone.
- AshamedCaptain 5y agoNo, you're wrong like I was. It's not just the hardware parts that are closed (what's under libhybris). It's also the entire UI toolkit (the library that they have on top of Qt) and most of the built-in applications that are closed source.
- tbr 5y agoYep, "Always has been" sigh
- poetaster 5y agoHmm. Don't use the built ins, but i do use silica. My focus is to do dev, and convince them to open more as the external devs generate more value. See the obs build service... Etc.
- AshamedCaptain 5y agoYou do not even use the builtin phone dialer? It's closed. Settings app? Closed. Etc.
- poetaster 5y agoWell, i do use contacts and dialer and the broken settings interfaces. Yep, it us all just one grand experiment. I rdcdntly had to ask where in qml land to hack my event screen. Well, that was hackable. I dint buy marketing bull from anyone. I wasnt and am not interested in the privacy angle as long as google and apple are the norm.
- poetaster 5y agoAlso, closed source shoos that actively promote patching are ok by me.
- tbr 5y agoThey promised the world, their management didn't understand what OSS meant. It was pretty bad early on. Their investors also didn't understand OSS and thus made sure that core parts never became OSS. That's why there was NemoMobile, it was (is?) a true and fully open source implementation, replacing all the proprietary Sailfish bits. It could have been great, but many mistakes where made in many places, not just by management. Now it's a fringe OS, with a closed source UI and no noticeable market share. Let alone growth in such. NB: This is based on my personal involvement up to 2015-ish.
- poetaster 5y agoThe ui bits atop qt, silica, is indeed closed. But you can develope for sfos without silica. I have a pure sdl app. Still, they are trying to find a way without going the data hog way. As they are doing license foo in automotive space, i'd guess it'll take time. But it is also the value in jolla. Excellent industrial design.
- AshamedCaptain 5y ago"The ui bits" is an understatement, because UI & builtin apps is actually where the meat is, and they know it. The kernel, Qt, the standard desktop stuff, etc. they are _forced_ to open, unless they want to violate the GPL. But whenever there is anything they're not forced to open, and someone else could potentially have an interest to actually see the source, then they keep it closed. It's actually less open than Android! You can also have pure SDL apps on WINDOWS, out of all platforms, so what is the point? And sure, there is also value in that, but "privacy" value?
- poetaster 5y agoThe point i was making us that you can build apps without silica. That will result in your apps looking like they do on apple, ie whatever. I could fake most of silica if i wished, but i hope jolla finally turns the corner and can stop being so tight fisted. I believe they will. Othwise i would not develope there. I will of course work to make my apps run everywhere. Quite a few do.
- poetaster 5y agoSo guess we're left with librem then? Ubuntu touch, plasma, mobian, etc are not useable. For my part I'll keep working on opening it up. Like my local school system, city hall, etc. All of which have lock in with private companies that hold the ip close to the chest. It's a lot if wirk, it is.
- Apocryphon 5y agoThere's still KaiOS, but it's closed-source and aimed at feature phones. And seems like Tizen never got anywhere on phones.