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What "human rights" are being violated by getting rid of those dumb cookie popups?

PaulHoule 5y ago
I think the cookie popups "normalized deviance". Since that is something required, maybe even thought of as virtuous, why not pop up two different boxes asking for the user's email address before they've had a chance to read the content?
- actually_a_dog 5y ago
  That's a real stretch, to put it charitably.
erhk 5y ago
Did you miss the part about sending user data internationally
- actually_a_dog 5y ago
  I think you may have missed this part? > Data adequacy in this sense means an agreement that the protections in place are similar in two countries, with the idea of ensuring that personal information remains safe. It is a key part of EU regulations and was a minor sticking point in the Brexit negotiations.
- Silhouette 5y ago
  As opposed to the EU stance, where sharing personal data with US organisations has repeatedly been found in court to violate the data protection rules? That mostly seems to be because US law grants its government security agencies much the same intrusive powers to examine data as most EU governments grant theirs and EU law explicitly allows for in the latter case. There are reasonable discussions to be had about the necessity for such measures and the safeguards and transparency requirements that are appropriate if they are used, but objecting to international data transfers on this basis, as EU courts have repeatedly done, seems a bit hypocritical.
dspillett 5y ago
That part isn't necessarily related to the human rights (though there is the matter of data being carried off to where-ever is liked, which counts IMO), but a suggestion that they are trying to use a little bit of good news (less pop-ups) to distract from bad news, of which there is a lot ATM: - Bad decisions wrt handling the Afghanistan situation - The potential weakening of workplace safety laws (starting with the relaxation of rules for lorry drivers, so they can be worked harder to fill the current gap instead of pay/conditions improving to attract more workers) and other employee protections post brexit - ... It is not unlike the tampon tax thing. They made a big deal about those no longer being subject to VAT on “brexit day” when in fact that had been agreed by the EU more than two years earlier and could have been implemented there and then (so women kept paying the extra for that time just so the government could claim a cheap win at the end of that part of the process).
pacifika 5y ago
Eroding privacy protection laws that underpin it. https://www.humanrightsmedia.org/privacy-rights/ https://www.humanrightsmedia.org/privacy-rights/

I think the cookie popups "normalized deviance". Since that is something required, maybe even thought of as virtuous, why not pop up two different boxes asking for the user's email address before they've had a chance to read the content?

actually_a_dog 5y ago
That's a real stretch, to put it charitably.

erhk 5y ago

Did you miss the part about sending user data internationally

actually_a_dog 5y ago
I think you may have missed this part? > Data adequacy in this sense means an agreement that the protections in place are similar in two countries, with the idea of ensuring that personal information remains safe. It is a key part of EU regulations and was a minor sticking point in the Brexit negotiations.
Silhouette 5y ago
As opposed to the EU stance, where sharing personal data with US organisations has repeatedly been found in court to violate the data protection rules? That mostly seems to be because US law grants its government security agencies much the same intrusive powers to examine data as most EU governments grant theirs and EU law explicitly allows for in the latter case. There are reasonable discussions to be had about the necessity for such measures and the safeguards and transparency requirements that are appropriate if they are used, but objecting to international data transfers on this basis, as EU courts have repeatedly done, seems a bit hypocritical.

dspillett 5y ago

That part isn't necessarily related to the human rights (though there is the matter of data being carried off to where-ever is liked, which counts IMO), but a suggestion that they are trying to use a little bit of good news (less pop-ups) to distract from bad news, of which there is a lot ATM: - Bad decisions wrt handling the Afghanistan situation - The potential weakening of workplace safety laws (starting with the relaxation of rules for lorry drivers, so they can be worked harder to fill the current gap instead of pay/conditions improving to attract more workers) and other employee protections post brexit - ... It is not unlike the tampon tax thing. They made a big deal about those no longer being subject to VAT on “brexit day” when in fact that had been agreed by the EU more than two years earlier and could have been implemented there and then (so women kept paying the extra for that time just so the government could claim a cheap win at the end of that part of the process).

pacifika 5y ago

Eroding privacy protection laws that underpin it. https://www.humanrightsmedia.org/privacy-rights/ https://www.humanrightsmedia.org/privacy-rights/