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Great article and well written, the thing that struck me the most was the references to god, he was killed for "god and country", well Osama thought he was doin
by quattrofan 15y ago
Great article and well written, the thing that struck me the most was the references to god, he was killed for "god and country", well Osama thought he was doing his gods work, whose god is right?
Religion is such a giant fail.
- rezaprima 15y agowell, both sides claim to protect their own land and people from invasive other. I don't think there is any religion/ideology that discourage things like "defending property and people".
- baha_man 15y ago"I don't think there is any religion/ideology that discourage things like "defending property and people". Pacifism?
- rezaprima 15y agoThanks. Though I need to look it up whether it really teaches to not defend one's right and how it works in reality.
- noahc 15y agoThere is a strain of Christianity called Anabaptist that are pacifist, and do not believe in using violence or coersion.
- gaius 15y ago... And have the freedom to practice their religion because there are people willing to defend their right to do so, on their behalf.
- wensing 15y agoNot true. They practiced it when they were being slaughtered, too.
- astine 15y agoAnd Quakers, as well as some historical sect that no longer exist, as well as a number of non-christian eastern religions. But I think that the grandparent's point is fair: most religious and non-religious worldviews allow at least for violence in self and national defense.
- Tichy 15y agoWhat about "turn the other cheek", "love your enemy" and stuff like that?
- ovi256 15y agoFrom my knowledge of history, the winners god's is always right, just as history is written by the victor. That latter part includes the former, and goes far beyond what we usually acknowledge. It's not only that the victor's reasons for a war are considered just over the loser's. The values of the victor, his cultural framework, are used to judge the loser's and the rest of the world's. And history is written from his viewpoint. It's a meta victory.
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- wensing 15y agoThat's an overgeneralization. The Old Testament is littered with examples of the Israelites failing in battle because God was not with them at that particular time. But He was still their Jehovah.
- burgerbrain 15y agoBeowulf was defeated by the dragon, but that doesn't mean that actually ever happened... Anyway, Judaism still strongly exists today, despite any hiccups it had, as opposed to other things like Baalism or whatever. They are therefore the "victor".
- zeteo 15y agoMaybe some people falsely believe they are doing God's work when, in fact, they aren't.
- sausagefeet 15y ago"Some"?
- wnight 15y agoAll is a kind of some.
- burgerbrain 15y agoYou should clarify this. It might sound like you are saying that "some of the people who say they do Gods work are not", instead of the correct "some people believe they are doing god's work. they are not." Only some people in this world think they are doing that, but they are of course all incorrect. Edit: ?
- amalag 15y agoSun is called Sol in Spanish, do you think there are two suns?
- sliverstorm 15y agoThat has always sounded to me like a simple ritualistic/habitual intonation, rather than an honest appeal to the Lord in Heaven. I could be wrong.