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The first vaccine had a problem where it gave people Lyme every once in a while. My hypothesis is that Lyme disease is an autoimmune disease caused by being exp
by supperburg 5y ago
The first vaccine had a problem where it gave people Lyme every once in a while. My hypothesis is that Lyme disease is an autoimmune disease caused by being exposed too acutely in some way, or for too long. For some people, a tick byte isn’t enough exposure to trigger it. For others, the vaccine is enough. They didn’t catch it early in clinical trials because those people are rare enough to not show up in small studies. So by that logic, the same thing should happen here. Maybe this time it will be a small enough group of people to shove under the rug. There’s no medicine in the world that doesn’t harm people in some capacity.
- acdha 5y ago> The first vaccine had a problem where it gave people Lyme every once in a while. Do you have a citation for that? The FDA review didn’t mention that: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2870557/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2870557/
- supperburg 5y ago> 59 reports of arthritis associated with vaccination Maybe it was coincidence. I’m just saying if the vaccine gave people Lyme, here’s my hypothesis. But it makes a lot of sense that an autoimmune disease created by exposure to X could be triggered by a vaccine containing X. The definition of a vaccine is to expose a person to whatever it is the immune system recognizes — spike proteins and so on. It’s plausible. But as you point out, not very likely.
- 542354234235 5y agoLet's include the entire quote >By 2001, with over 1·4 million Lyme vaccine doses distributed in the United States the VAERS database included 905 reports of mild self-limited reactions and 59 reports of arthritis associated with vaccination [29]. The arthritis incidence in the patients receiving Lyme vaccine occurred at the same rate as the background in unvaccinated individuals. In addition, the data did not show a temporal spike in arthritis diagnoses after the second and third vaccine dose expected for an immune-mediated phenomenon. The FDA found no suggestion that the Lyme vaccine caused harm to its recipients. 54,000,000 Americans have had some form of arthritis [1]. I don’t exactly find it compelling that 0.0001% of them also happened to have gotten a vaccine.
- supperburg 5y agoThat’s pretty much what I said
- timonoko 5y agoEmphasis should be on tick-bite prevention. I have never had live tick on me and have been literally wallowing on all tick-infested areas on northern hemisphere. They just die. Most probably just drop off, but sometimes there is dead tick only slightly attached. Looks like they die on first drop of blood.
- Ensorceled 5y agoInterestingly, what you described might just be a side effect of tick bite exposure ... https://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/story/news/health/lyme-disease/2015/08/01/how-one-local-mans-immunity-ticks-could-save-us-all/30578799/ https://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/story/news/health/lyme-d...
- timonoko 5y agoSounds true. I actually had one and only tick in 1955. It was on my testicles, so very embarrassing.
- reustle 5y agoIt's pretty hard to say that confidently with how small deer ticks are. I find them crawling on me all the time in Pennsylvania, and those are just the larger ones. Have found a few deer ticks on me over the years, and good luck finding them in your hair without someone else to look.
- timonoko 5y agoI mean of course that I have never had a tick which managed to suck anything, except once in 1955. Also I remember being drunk and watching Ixodes Ricinus move along my arm and trying to stick its nose thru skin. Everytime it backed up real fast, like it found something nasty inside. Very much the same thing as American deer tick Ixodes scapularis.