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Here's an example: Discord app reads all the processes running on the machine. Discord webapp can't. Telemetry is probably the same. Another example: Microsoft

by yoavm 5y ago

Here's an example: Discord app reads all the processes running on the machine. Discord webapp can't. Telemetry is probably the same. Another example: Microsoft Word can include a bug that makes opening a doc file run whatever command, including wiping the system. Google Docs can't do it. It's much simpler to see telemetry in a web app - just open the Network tab. The fact that it's harder to do with a desktop app does not at all means it isn't there. Give wireshark a spin.

pjmlp 5y ago
Google docs can read all your data that happens to be stored on their server. You don't get it, yes desktop apps can do telemetry, and many do. Web applications not only have all your data, every page interaction is fed into marketing engines regardless of your opinion on that.
- yoavm 5y ago
  But web applications don't have all my data. I gave you an example just above - Discord web app can't see what other programs I have running. Discord Desktop can. Google docs can read all my data on Google Docs (shocking), but Microsoft Word could be stealing my cookies from my browser and accessing my Google Docs, my iCloud and anything else too. You keep making these bombastic statements with no data behind. Not all web applications store every page interaction into a marketing engine. For example, I have a web application - as you navigate no additional network requests are sent (it's SPA!), and anyway I don't really have access to those the server logs because they're hosted by some Netlify-like service. See? Web application without you data that doesn't feed your interactions into a marketing engine. Some web apps track, some desktop apps track. But clearly and without any doubt an executable running in your operating system can potential do much more than a web app you open with your up-to-date browser. An executable can even... open a web app!
  - pjmlp 5y ago
    They have all the data they can extract from each HTTP request, plus 100% of all data stored on their end. Discord web app has a track record from everyone you ever spoke with, where you where when each sentence was written, who the people you talk to were. All Web apps track, there are no exceptions, unless you are talking about some hobby stuf written by yourself.

by yoavm 5y ago

pjmlp 5y ago

Google docs can read all your data that happens to be stored on their server. You don't get it, yes desktop apps can do telemetry, and many do. Web applications not only have all your data, every page interaction is fed into marketing engines regardless of your opinion on that.

yoavm 5y ago
But web applications don't have all my data. I gave you an example just above - Discord web app can't see what other programs I have running. Discord Desktop can. Google docs can read all my data on Google Docs (shocking), but Microsoft Word could be stealing my cookies from my browser and accessing my Google Docs, my iCloud and anything else too. You keep making these bombastic statements with no data behind. Not all web applications store every page interaction into a marketing engine. For example, I have a web application - as you navigate no additional network requests are sent (it's SPA!), and anyway I don't really have access to those the server logs because they're hosted by some Netlify-like service. See? Web application without you data that doesn't feed your interactions into a marketing engine. Some web apps track, some desktop apps track. But clearly and without any doubt an executable running in your operating system can potential do much more than a web app you open with your up-to-date browser. An executable can even... open a web app!
- pjmlp 5y ago
  They have all the data they can extract from each HTTP request, plus 100% of all data stored on their end. Discord web app has a track record from everyone you ever spoke with, where you where when each sentence was written, who the people you talk to were. All Web apps track, there are no exceptions, unless you are talking about some hobby stuf written by yourself.