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> I do not see anyone who understands how evil this is ever forgiving them. I'm not so optimistic. How many people among Apple's users actually understand how

> I do not see anyone who understands how evil this is ever forgiving them. I'm not so optimistic. How many people among Apple's users actually understand how evil this is, and among those, how many do really, actually care? People seem fine enough with Facebook's data vacuuming, why would they protest against Apple's "non-intrusive" scheme? They "don't hate children" and, of course, "have nothing to hide". The issue, as has been brought up in one form or another in the numerous threads on the subject, is that people like their comfort (using smartphones) and there really isn't that much of a choice. > The good news is running OSX made me lazy, and getting back into running a linux or freebsd laptop again is going to be fun. And therein lies the rub. Many people wouldn't find doing this fun. They'd much prefer being able to watch Netflix in ultra high-def and not having to futz around with Nvidia's drivers or what have you.

weikju 5y ago
> Many people wouldn't find doing this fun. They'd much prefer being able to watch Netflix in ultra high-def and not having to futz around with Nvidia's drivers or what have you I think they were being sarcastic, maybe not. Either way, you're right. And this is why WE need to be doing this so that it becomes a viable option.
- kiawe_fire 5y ago
  This is the attitude anyone who cares about this stuff needs to adopt. Especially those with engineering, design, or documentation skills. Now is the time to get the open alternatives shored up, and to start creating a viable and concise pathway and ecosystem that we can recommend to “non-techies” who are looking for an alternative. That can only happen if we start using this stuff now, and commit to donating some time and effort to take the deficiencies we find in our own use and make them better. It’s fine to vent, and I hope to see people continue to call big tech out. But putting on a more positive mindset, this is actually an amazing opportunity we have to start creating the change we want to see.
  - istingray 5y ago
    1. Ditch Apple 2. Buy the best that exists today (ie System76) 3. Give monthly critical feedback every step of the way to open source hw/sw companies and their competitors about what you really need in the next version 4. Buy a Better world Ask HN: Do you use Purism, PinePhone, or Fairphone? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28164208 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28164208 Ask HN: Do you use a Linux-first laptop? (System76, Librem, Dell XPS Dev Ed) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28216287 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28216287
    - nbzso 5y ago
      I successfully transformed my company from MacOS to Arch on Apple hardware. There are two computers left with Catalina for some specific workflows, in isolation from outside world. System 76 are cool, but when the time comes we will build custom PCs for work. The "aura" and "coolness" of Apple is gone. I admit that my decision to use only Apple computers in the office was irrational and tainted by emotional perception from the past. I almost puled the trigger for M1 Air and was planning to upgrade office Macbook Pro's to M1X. Not anymore.
      - istingray 5y ago
        Wow congrats, getting Macs to run Linux sounds a superhuman feat.
        Grustaf 5y ago
        No it's really easy, I had Linux running on a 2006 model iMac and I am as far from a Linux expert as you can come.
        istingray 5y ago
        Ah yes! My understanding is older Macs are easier. The newer T2-enabled Macs make it hard. For example wi-fi, keyboards, and trackpad don't work out of the box, lots of configuration is needed, and some things (ie microphone) simply don't work at all.
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ksec 5y ago
Well you could categorise them as not understand how evil this is. They are not comfortable, but they may not see it as evil.
Abishek_Muthian 5y ago
I feel it's bit unreasonable to expect a non-technical user to even start to comprehend this issue. Many of them know that the photos, videos, music from their old iPhone would be available in their new iPhone after they sign-in; But do they really understand what happened in-between to enable that, Should they even know that? That's what Apple is banking on. It would be pragmatic to expect even technically equipped Apple fans to call-out Apple's latest hypocrisy and move away from the ecosystem. They didn't do it earlier, They didn't do it when it came to light that Apple knew that its contractors exploited child labor[1], They wouldn't do it now. [1] https://www.businessinsider.in/tech/news/apple-knew-a-supplier-was-using-child-labor-but-took-3-years-to-fully-cut-ties-despite-the-companys-promises-to-hold-itself-to-the-highest-standards-report-says/articleshow/80054782.cms https://www.businessinsider.in/tech/news/apple-knew-a-suppli...

weikju 5y ago

> Many people wouldn't find doing this fun. They'd much prefer being able to watch Netflix in ultra high-def and not having to futz around with Nvidia's drivers or what have you I think they were being sarcastic, maybe not. Either way, you're right. And this is why WE need to be doing this so that it becomes a viable option.

kiawe_fire 5y ago
This is the attitude anyone who cares about this stuff needs to adopt. Especially those with engineering, design, or documentation skills. Now is the time to get the open alternatives shored up, and to start creating a viable and concise pathway and ecosystem that we can recommend to “non-techies” who are looking for an alternative. That can only happen if we start using this stuff now, and commit to donating some time and effort to take the deficiencies we find in our own use and make them better. It’s fine to vent, and I hope to see people continue to call big tech out. But putting on a more positive mindset, this is actually an amazing opportunity we have to start creating the change we want to see.
- istingray 5y ago
  1. Ditch Apple 2. Buy the best that exists today (ie System76) 3. Give monthly critical feedback every step of the way to open source hw/sw companies and their competitors about what you really need in the next version 4. Buy a Better world Ask HN: Do you use Purism, PinePhone, or Fairphone? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28164208 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28164208 Ask HN: Do you use a Linux-first laptop? (System76, Librem, Dell XPS Dev Ed) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28216287 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28216287
  - nbzso 5y ago
    I successfully transformed my company from MacOS to Arch on Apple hardware. There are two computers left with Catalina for some specific workflows, in isolation from outside world. System 76 are cool, but when the time comes we will build custom PCs for work. The "aura" and "coolness" of Apple is gone. I admit that my decision to use only Apple computers in the office was irrational and tainted by emotional perception from the past. I almost puled the trigger for M1 Air and was planning to upgrade office Macbook Pro's to M1X. Not anymore.
    - istingray 5y ago
      Wow congrats, getting Macs to run Linux sounds a superhuman feat.
      - Grustaf 5y ago
        No it's really easy, I had Linux running on a 2006 model iMac and I am as far from a Linux expert as you can come.
        istingray 5y ago
        Ah yes! My understanding is older Macs are easier. The newer T2-enabled Macs make it hard. For example wi-fi, keyboards, and trackpad don't work out of the box, lots of configuration is needed, and some things (ie microphone) simply don't work at all.

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ksec 5y ago

Well you could categorise them as not understand how evil this is. They are not comfortable, but they may not see it as evil.

Abishek_Muthian 5y ago

I feel it's bit unreasonable to expect a non-technical user to even start to comprehend this issue. Many of them know that the photos, videos, music from their old iPhone would be available in their new iPhone after they sign-in; But do they really understand what happened in-between to enable that, Should they even know that? That's what Apple is banking on. It would be pragmatic to expect even technically equipped Apple fans to call-out Apple's latest hypocrisy and move away from the ecosystem. They didn't do it earlier, They didn't do it when it came to light that Apple knew that its contractors exploited child labor[1], They wouldn't do it now. [1] https://www.businessinsider.in/tech/news/apple-knew-a-supplier-was-using-child-labor-but-took-3-years-to-fully-cut-ties-despite-the-companys-promises-to-hold-itself-to-the-highest-standards-report-says/articleshow/80054782.cms https://www.businessinsider.in/tech/news/apple-knew-a-suppli...