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This is a reduction in privacy. Do what you want on your servers, but hands off my phone. Also the whole "Apple is planning to encrypt iCloud Photos end-to-end

This is a reduction in privacy. Do what you want on your servers, but hands off my phone. Also the whole "Apple is planning to encrypt iCloud Photos end-to-end anyway" thing is just fanfiction. I'll believe it when they announce it.

chmod775 5y ago
> This is a reduction in privacy. Do what you want on your servers, but hands off my phone. Apple devices might not be precisely the smartest purchase if the concept of your hardware is important to you.
- heavyset_go 5y ago
  > Apple devices might not be precisely the smartest purchase if the concept of your hardware is important to you. Maybe a handful of HN users are aware of that, but the majority of users think that their property belongs to them. It also goes against what Apple marketing says about privacy and your data. I wouldn't fault most consumers for not understanding that Apple's PR doesn't reflect reality.
  - nicce 5y ago
    Actually the fact that you don’t really own your Apple hardware is supportive for the Apple’s privacy arguments. Since it does not really matter in that case where those images are scanned, as long as the end result is the same.
    - brokenmachine 5y ago
      Not owning anything == privacy now?
- diebeforei485 5y ago
  As you are well aware, the market is not very competitive and there aren't dozens of vendors to pick from. "Use something else" (or even more laughably, "start your own") is not a reasonable argument anymore.
  - nicce 5y ago
    There are plenty of phones. Even Linux-like or totally different (like Sailfish). It just seem that you are not ready to make compromises.
    - quantified 5y ago
      Some people have bought into the whole Apple ecosystem. Hard to extract yourself, and getting a usable phone like a OnePlus gets you thinking about foreign extraction of your data, bitter pill to swallow. Now it’s clear that all phones will suck, and always suck more in a future rev. I use some Apple devices but not the ecosystem for exactly the reason of switching.
      - nicce 5y ago
        I have to admit that Apple ecosystem works really well. I have been fighting with different Linux distributions and other devices for years. Even wrote own client for Chromecast. But something like AirPlay 2 just works, with high quality.
      - elcritch 5y ago
        I've been a long time Apple user. Prior to my latest work laptop I've only gotten MBPs. However given the ever increasing pain in getting around the macOS security to do basic dev work (eg getting real gdb not ldb working), I've gone back to a Linux laptop. Given this 'CSAM-scanning-next-up-political-dissent!' stuff from Apple I'll be taking a much more serious look at PinePhone/PurismPhone, etc. The rate of processor/ram/screen specs are plateauing so open source hardware/software is becoming feasible without completely outdated hardware.
        hanklazard 5y ago
        I just picked up a Pixel 3a for like 90$ on eBay and flashed CalyxOS on it in about 10 min. Really easy to get started and I’m impressed with the functionality and polish of this open-source mobile OS.
    - 5y ago

chmod775 5y ago

> This is a reduction in privacy. Do what you want on your servers, but hands off my phone. Apple devices might not be precisely the smartest purchase if the concept of your hardware is important to you.

heavyset_go 5y ago
> Apple devices might not be precisely the smartest purchase if the concept of your hardware is important to you. Maybe a handful of HN users are aware of that, but the majority of users think that their property belongs to them. It also goes against what Apple marketing says about privacy and your data. I wouldn't fault most consumers for not understanding that Apple's PR doesn't reflect reality.
- nicce 5y ago
  Actually the fact that you don’t really own your Apple hardware is supportive for the Apple’s privacy arguments. Since it does not really matter in that case where those images are scanned, as long as the end result is the same.
  - brokenmachine 5y ago
    Not owning anything == privacy now?
diebeforei485 5y ago
As you are well aware, the market is not very competitive and there aren't dozens of vendors to pick from. "Use something else" (or even more laughably, "start your own") is not a reasonable argument anymore.
- nicce 5y ago
  There are plenty of phones. Even Linux-like or totally different (like Sailfish). It just seem that you are not ready to make compromises.
  - quantified 5y ago
    Some people have bought into the whole Apple ecosystem. Hard to extract yourself, and getting a usable phone like a OnePlus gets you thinking about foreign extraction of your data, bitter pill to swallow. Now it’s clear that all phones will suck, and always suck more in a future rev. I use some Apple devices but not the ecosystem for exactly the reason of switching.
    - nicce 5y ago
      I have to admit that Apple ecosystem works really well. I have been fighting with different Linux distributions and other devices for years. Even wrote own client for Chromecast. But something like AirPlay 2 just works, with high quality.
    - elcritch 5y ago
      I've been a long time Apple user. Prior to my latest work laptop I've only gotten MBPs. However given the ever increasing pain in getting around the macOS security to do basic dev work (eg getting real gdb not ldb working), I've gone back to a Linux laptop. Given this 'CSAM-scanning-next-up-political-dissent!' stuff from Apple I'll be taking a much more serious look at PinePhone/PurismPhone, etc. The rate of processor/ram/screen specs are plateauing so open source hardware/software is becoming feasible without completely outdated hardware.
      - hanklazard 5y ago
        I just picked up a Pixel 3a for like 90$ on eBay and flashed CalyxOS on it in about 10 min. Really easy to get started and I’m impressed with the functionality and polish of this open-source mobile OS.
  - 5y ago