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The covid heroes are conflating a lot of issues (and subreddits): Yes, there are crazy people that believe the vaccine will start killing everyone in a few year

The covid heroes are conflating a lot of issues (and subreddits): Yes, there are crazy people that believe the vaccine will start killing everyone in a few years. But the majority of people they are hating on in their primitive sense of doing good, are those who simply disapprove of the new normal. They are against lockdowns, masks, regular vaccine mandates and further symptoms of the ongoing covid hysteria. Those are all valid positions to hold. This seems to be reddits peak do-gooder echo chamber moment.

foerbert 5y ago
That seems like a very... passive way to describe them. It's one thing to be unhappy with the way things are. Many people are unhappy about many things. Many of these things are fundamentally not changeable. Disliking these immutable things does not give inherent validity to harmful actions. I can hate gravity all I want, but hurling myself off a freeway overpass in protest is not justified. If nothing else, the strain on the healthcare system is a substantial harm. This is not a strictly personal freedom issue. Most people seem to understand that bodies flying across the road because of a lack of a seatbelt causes substantial harm to others. I also don't see many people complaining that they are not allowed to burn their suburban house down, despite it being their own property. That's not to say I'm for this move. I'd rather see reddit be more hands off. I'd rather go back to the days when users banded together to try to stop reddit from reaching their hands out further.
- Traubenfuchs 5y ago
  Lockdowns, mandated vaccines and masks are not universal forces like gravity. They are laws we can change. They are rules we can follow, or not.
  - foerbert 5y ago
    Maybe it be a little more accurate to say not that you hate gravity but having something under your feet in that case, but I think the point was clear enough. Gravity is the thing that causes the consequences of stepping off the overpass. It's those consequences we find unacceptable. The same more or less goes with masks, etc. You can not wear them or follow the other rules, but natural forces ensure that doing so causes harm to others.
millzlane 5y ago
The people spouting about "no new normal" are ignoring facts and history. It's one more place to spread misinformation and be cheered on as only "disapproving of the new normal" and not spreading FUD. Most of them use gotcha's like "Masks don't prevent infections", "The vaccines don't work", or "lockdowns don't prevent the spread". All true statements.... technically. But there is clearly more information and nuance out there that says otherwise. They aren't pushing back against new norms either. Quarantines, lockdowns, public focus on overcrowding and public health were were popular in the early 1900's when TB AKA Consumption was hitting the US hard. We have always steered clear of sick or contagious people. The thing that they're (NNN folks) glossing over is their feelings. Their feelings don't dictate the way commerce works. Commerce needs to flow and when a global pandemic threatens that flow. Mountains will move to prevent collapse. When people are afraid of an invisible virus and are unable to tell when you have it or not, and other folks don't care and are actively spreading it or hindering the prevention of spread. You will have Mask mandates, lockdowns, and vaccines mandates by large employers. Because guess what...if a virus threatens their bottom line, you better believe they going to do everything in their power to keep the money coming. And so will every person who wants to continue to participate in a functioning society. It's as valid of a position as the argument against airbags or seatbelts.
BizarroLand 5y ago
Being against lockdowns is not a valid position to hold. Being against vaccine mandates is not a valid position to hold. Calling it a "do-gooder echo chamber" is a line from a comic book villain. Please tell me you can see that once it's shown to you.
- anm89 5y ago
  Thank you BizarroLand from The Internet for giving us all the final word on which opinions are valid.
- elzbardico 5y ago
  Thanks man. Please do give us more updates on what is acceptable thought. I would hate to be guilt of wrongthink! It would be double plus non good
  - DangitBobby 5y ago
    Comparing everything to 1984 is so lazy.
- Traubenfuchs 5y ago
  Lockdowns caused unspeakable harm to the bodies and minds of people and greatly damaged the economy. Vaccine mandates are a human rights violation.
belltaco 5y ago
The issue is the rampant misinformation being passed off as facts. Not opinions on trade offs of Covid harms vs lockdowns.

foerbert 5y ago

That seems like a very... passive way to describe them. It's one thing to be unhappy with the way things are. Many people are unhappy about many things. Many of these things are fundamentally not changeable. Disliking these immutable things does not give inherent validity to harmful actions. I can hate gravity all I want, but hurling myself off a freeway overpass in protest is not justified. If nothing else, the strain on the healthcare system is a substantial harm. This is not a strictly personal freedom issue. Most people seem to understand that bodies flying across the road because of a lack of a seatbelt causes substantial harm to others. I also don't see many people complaining that they are not allowed to burn their suburban house down, despite it being their own property. That's not to say I'm for this move. I'd rather see reddit be more hands off. I'd rather go back to the days when users banded together to try to stop reddit from reaching their hands out further.

Traubenfuchs 5y ago
Lockdowns, mandated vaccines and masks are not universal forces like gravity. They are laws we can change. They are rules we can follow, or not.
- foerbert 5y ago
  Maybe it be a little more accurate to say not that you hate gravity but having something under your feet in that case, but I think the point was clear enough. Gravity is the thing that causes the consequences of stepping off the overpass. It's those consequences we find unacceptable. The same more or less goes with masks, etc. You can not wear them or follow the other rules, but natural forces ensure that doing so causes harm to others.

millzlane 5y ago

The people spouting about "no new normal" are ignoring facts and history. It's one more place to spread misinformation and be cheered on as only "disapproving of the new normal" and not spreading FUD. Most of them use gotcha's like "Masks don't prevent infections", "The vaccines don't work", or "lockdowns don't prevent the spread". All true statements.... technically. But there is clearly more information and nuance out there that says otherwise. They aren't pushing back against new norms either. Quarantines, lockdowns, public focus on overcrowding and public health were were popular in the early 1900's when TB AKA Consumption was hitting the US hard. We have always steered clear of sick or contagious people. The thing that they're (NNN folks) glossing over is their feelings. Their feelings don't dictate the way commerce works. Commerce needs to flow and when a global pandemic threatens that flow. Mountains will move to prevent collapse. When people are afraid of an invisible virus and are unable to tell when you have it or not, and other folks don't care and are actively spreading it or hindering the prevention of spread. You will have Mask mandates, lockdowns, and vaccines mandates by large employers. Because guess what...if a virus threatens their bottom line, you better believe they going to do everything in their power to keep the money coming. And so will every person who wants to continue to participate in a functioning society. It's as valid of a position as the argument against airbags or seatbelts.

BizarroLand 5y ago

Being against lockdowns is not a valid position to hold. Being against vaccine mandates is not a valid position to hold. Calling it a "do-gooder echo chamber" is a line from a comic book villain. Please tell me you can see that once it's shown to you.

anm89 5y ago
Thank you BizarroLand from The Internet for giving us all the final word on which opinions are valid.
elzbardico 5y ago
Thanks man. Please do give us more updates on what is acceptable thought. I would hate to be guilt of wrongthink! It would be double plus non good
- DangitBobby 5y ago
  Comparing everything to 1984 is so lazy.
Traubenfuchs 5y ago
Lockdowns caused unspeakable harm to the bodies and minds of people and greatly damaged the economy. Vaccine mandates are a human rights violation.

belltaco 5y ago

The issue is the rampant misinformation being passed off as facts. Not opinions on trade offs of Covid harms vs lockdowns.