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> we should stop supporting X browser because some kid doesn't know how to support it too? No, we should look seriously at whether we need to keep doing things

by derleth 15y ago

> we should stop supporting X browser because some kid doesn't know how to support it too? No, we should look seriously at whether we need to keep doing things the cheap labor can't perform anymore. Supporting IE6 is a Black Art, and keeping people who can perform Black Arts reliably is expensive. I suppose the traditional comparison is to COBOL codebases and greenscreen IBM development. If thinking about that convinces you IE6 isn't the mainstream anymore, go for it. The point is that increasing the number of different, and I mean really different, browsers your team has to know about is not free, as the cheap labor only knows the relatively tight cluster of post-IE6 graphical browsers. The article's the evidence of that.

pjscott 15y ago
... and keeping people who can perform Black Arts reliably is expensive. I have nothing to add ("me, too!"), but would like to point out that this sounds like a line from a fantasy novel written by an economist. If such a thing actually exists, I would love to hear of it.
- neild 15y ago
  Harald, by David Friedman. (There are a number of notable David Friedmans. This is the anarcho-capitalist-son-of-Milton-Friedman one.) Harald is quite good, IMO, but there isn't a lot of overt economics so it may not be what you're looking for.
  - gabebw 15y ago
    I really didn't think the GP would get an answer to that extremely specific question. Thanks, and I'll be checking this out.
notahacker 15y ago
For the majority of websites it's not so much a Black Art as something anyone who designed websites more than 5 years ago should manage competently (assuming there aren't unreasonable requirements such as pixel perfection or reproducing every hover effect). The comparison is more finding someone that knows how to program Python instead of copy/pasting PHP scripts.
- justincormack 15y ago
  Html and css were not designed to be an arcane programming language, but a simple layout markup. If well designed then copy paste should work fine. Arguably we didnt quite make that simplicity, but I think your Python PHP comment is way off as far as html css is concerned...
duggi 15y ago
supporting ie6 is not a black art, its a dipshit art

by derleth 15y ago

pjscott 15y ago

... and keeping people who can perform Black Arts reliably is expensive. I have nothing to add ("me, too!"), but would like to point out that this sounds like a line from a fantasy novel written by an economist. If such a thing actually exists, I would love to hear of it.

neild 15y ago
Harald, by David Friedman. (There are a number of notable David Friedmans. This is the anarcho-capitalist-son-of-Milton-Friedman one.) Harald is quite good, IMO, but there isn't a lot of overt economics so it may not be what you're looking for.
- gabebw 15y ago
  I really didn't think the GP would get an answer to that extremely specific question. Thanks, and I'll be checking this out.

notahacker 15y ago

For the majority of websites it's not so much a Black Art as something anyone who designed websites more than 5 years ago should manage competently (assuming there aren't unreasonable requirements such as pixel perfection or reproducing every hover effect). The comparison is more finding someone that knows how to program Python instead of copy/pasting PHP scripts.

justincormack 15y ago
Html and css were not designed to be an arcane programming language, but a simple layout markup. If well designed then copy paste should work fine. Arguably we didnt quite make that simplicity, but I think your Python PHP comment is way off as far as html css is concerned...

duggi 15y ago

supporting ie6 is not a black art, its a dipshit art