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Disagree. You can see for yourself: Glued https://guide-images.cdn.ifixit.com/igi/noPvQ2CLs1jptX2p.medium https://guide-images.cdn.ifixit.com/igi/noPvQ2CLs1jp

by mbesto 5y ago

Disagree. You can see for yourself: Glued https://guide-images.cdn.ifixit.com/igi/noPvQ2CLs1jptX2p.medium https://guide-images.cdn.ifixit.com/igi/noPvQ2CLs1jptX2p.med... Removal battery https://guide-images.cdn.ifixit.com/igi/btDJQp5CYXdILTOO.medium https://guide-images.cdn.ifixit.com/igi/btDJQp5CYXdILTOO.med... You get better battery performance, with higher CPU performance, better graphics, etc. etc. and save 8oz. in weight and nearly half the width. Moore's law has tradeoffs. I think you can make the conclusion yourself with the facts. EDIT: For the record - it financially benefits Apple to have an unremovable battery, but that doesn't mean its the only motivation.

sudosysgen 5y ago
This is hilarious. You're actually comparing two different computers. A pull tab does not weigh 8oz more than a dab of glue. I don't get why someone would try to argue as much.
- mbesto 5y ago
  > You're actually comparing two different computers. Huh? One is the previous MBPro with a removable battery and the other is the latest version MBPro with a glued battery. > A pull tab does not weigh 8oz more than a dab of glue. I don't get why someone would try to argue as much. I didn't say that. I said the form factor for a glued in battery doesn't it allow it to be setup as a removable battery configuration. Gotta love the armchair hardware engineers in here.
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    You can use the exact same form factors for glued and removal batteries. They're all just prisms or a bunch of prisms. And yes it's ridiculous to compare two different generations of MBPro. You can definitely mount those batteries in a removable fashion in any case.
manigandham 5y ago
None of that is true. The battery cells are the rectangular black pouches. They can be glued in, placed in with a ribbon cable, put inside a plastic outer casing, or any other variation; but the batteries themselves are exactly the same form and function. Given the hard metal body construction with screw fasteners, there's no reason for gluing the battery packs themselves.
- mbesto 5y ago
  > but the batteries themselves are exactly the same form and function. They are exactly not the same form: https://guide-images.cdn.ifixit.com/igi/vlCsffdOoZSTCyJy.medium https://guide-images.cdn.ifixit.com/igi/vlCsffdOoZSTCyJy.med... https://guide-images.cdn.ifixit.com/igi/btDJQp5CYXdILTOO.medium https://guide-images.cdn.ifixit.com/igi/btDJQp5CYXdILTOO.med... One is a big brick and the other is a set of 4 pouches carefully laid out to let connectors route to various parts of the motherboard. That is precisely NOT the exact same form. Look at how intricate the battery replacement is for the newest MBPro: https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/MacBook+Pro+15-Inch+Touch+Bar+2019+Battery+Replacement/124182 https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/MacBook+Pro+15-Inch+Touch+Bar+2... There are various terminals that weave in and out of the batteries. That simply is not possible to maintain the same weight and thickness by just carving out one big removal brick as in the previous generation of the MBPro.
  - manigandham 5y ago
    These battery cells have the same physical structure. They can be shaped however is needed, whether it's one big block or several little ones connected by wires. The same capacity requires roughly the same weight and thickness, although several smaller cells will mean more packaging material and less collective capacity, but obviously allows for more flexible placement within the chassis. However, none of this requires gluing the battery to the system. That was the topic here. Why would you think using glue instead of just letting the back plate hold the batteries in place makes such a big difference?
    - mbesto 5y ago

by mbesto 5y ago

sudosysgen 5y ago

This is hilarious. You're actually comparing two different computers. A pull tab does not weigh 8oz more than a dab of glue. I don't get why someone would try to argue as much.

mbesto 5y ago
> You're actually comparing two different computers. Huh? One is the previous MBPro with a removable battery and the other is the latest version MBPro with a glued battery. > A pull tab does not weigh 8oz more than a dab of glue. I don't get why someone would try to argue as much. I didn't say that. I said the form factor for a glued in battery doesn't it allow it to be setup as a removable battery configuration. Gotta love the armchair hardware engineers in here.
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  You can use the exact same form factors for glued and removal batteries. They're all just prisms or a bunch of prisms. And yes it's ridiculous to compare two different generations of MBPro. You can definitely mount those batteries in a removable fashion in any case.

manigandham 5y ago

None of that is true. The battery cells are the rectangular black pouches. They can be glued in, placed in with a ribbon cable, put inside a plastic outer casing, or any other variation; but the batteries themselves are exactly the same form and function. Given the hard metal body construction with screw fasteners, there's no reason for gluing the battery packs themselves.

mbesto 5y ago
> but the batteries themselves are exactly the same form and function. They are exactly not the same form: https://guide-images.cdn.ifixit.com/igi/vlCsffdOoZSTCyJy.medium https://guide-images.cdn.ifixit.com/igi/vlCsffdOoZSTCyJy.med... https://guide-images.cdn.ifixit.com/igi/btDJQp5CYXdILTOO.medium https://guide-images.cdn.ifixit.com/igi/btDJQp5CYXdILTOO.med... One is a big brick and the other is a set of 4 pouches carefully laid out to let connectors route to various parts of the motherboard. That is precisely NOT the exact same form. Look at how intricate the battery replacement is for the newest MBPro: https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/MacBook+Pro+15-Inch+Touch+Bar+2019+Battery+Replacement/124182 https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/MacBook+Pro+15-Inch+Touch+Bar+2... There are various terminals that weave in and out of the batteries. That simply is not possible to maintain the same weight and thickness by just carving out one big removal brick as in the previous generation of the MBPro.
- manigandham 5y ago
  These battery cells have the same physical structure. They can be shaped however is needed, whether it's one big block or several little ones connected by wires. The same capacity requires roughly the same weight and thickness, although several smaller cells will mean more packaging material and less collective capacity, but obviously allows for more flexible placement within the chassis. However, none of this requires gluing the battery to the system. That was the topic here. Why would you think using glue instead of just letting the back plate hold the batteries in place makes such a big difference?
  - mbesto 5y ago