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> Everyone who is eligible and medically able needs to get vaccinated. I'm getting super tired of all this garbage; the US has had the vaccine supply and capabi

> Everyone who is eligible and medically able needs to get vaccinated. I'm getting super tired of all this garbage; the US has had the vaccine supply and capability to be out of the pandemic by now That's a rather polarized position... what facts or experienced led you to this conclusion you stated? Specifically "the unvaccinated are screwing over the rest of us who are doing the right thing".

kaibee 5y ago
> That's a rather polarized position... what facts or experienced led you to this conclusion you stated? Specifically "the unvaccinated are screwing over the rest of us who are doing the right thing". The fact that the unvaccinated are taking up all of the hospital beds in certain areas of the country..?
andrewzah 5y ago
"Specifically "the unvaccinated are screwing over the rest of us who are doing the right thing"." They're disproportionately taking up resources in hospitals for example, which do not have unlimited resources. We could be having a much better response right now [here in the U.S.] with less load on hospitals, but we're not, because of selfish and/or gullible people. They're also making the pandemic & related economic measures last longer than necessary. I can't wait for the next shutdown(s) as more variants evolve then spread and hospitals become even more inundated. Meanwhile I look at places like South Korea which have had life continue relatively normal because people actually wear masks there instead of politicizing them.
- clipradiowallet 5y ago
  Interesting. I'm not pro/anti vax or anything else, but I imagined unhealthy people were taking up hospital beds disproportionally. I was interested in why you felt the way you do; thanks for sharing your opinion.
  - andrewzah 5y ago
    The entire raison d'être of hospitals is to treat unhealthy people when they get sick and lessen or prevent healthy individuals from getting sick. So that statement is tautological. Unvaccinated/maskless people [by choice] who then get sick with COVID and go to the hospital anyways are unnecessarily draining hospitals of their limited resources. Hospitals were already understaffed before COVID, and now unvaccinated/maskless people want the workers at hospitals to risk their lives and work around the clock to benefit people who basically flipped them (and science) off until they got sick and changed their tune. It's so hypocritical. The highly infectious aspect of the disease makes it different from e.g. poor lifestyle habits or one off decisions. Every single COVID patient is taking up a bed/resources that could have gone to people who are unhealthy for reasons outside of their control, and there are hospitals completely at capacity due to COVID. And not making a choice to be pro or anti-vax is a choice in itself. Choosing to not have an opinion means implicitly supporting the status quo, which where I am would mean implicitly supporting a bunch of unvaccinated, maskless people by choice draining our resources and having a flagrant disregard for their fellow citizens. That statement makes about as much sense as saying "I'm not pro or anti -science-". There needs to be a very good reason(s) why one would be "neutral" about vaccines or science. Internet conspiracies don't count as good reasons, and the other side has has actual research and facts backing it up. Saying that one is just "neutral" about science or vaccines is semantically exactly the same as saying that one is anti-science or vaccines.
    - Clubber 5y ago
      >Choosing to not have an opinion means implicitly supporting the status quo, which where I am would mean implicitly supporting a bunch of unvaccinated, maskless people It most certainly does not, at least to a rational person. That's very cultish thinking.

kaibee 5y ago

> That's a rather polarized position... what facts or experienced led you to this conclusion you stated? Specifically "the unvaccinated are screwing over the rest of us who are doing the right thing". The fact that the unvaccinated are taking up all of the hospital beds in certain areas of the country..?

andrewzah 5y ago

"Specifically "the unvaccinated are screwing over the rest of us who are doing the right thing"." They're disproportionately taking up resources in hospitals for example, which do not have unlimited resources. We could be having a much better response right now [here in the U.S.] with less load on hospitals, but we're not, because of selfish and/or gullible people. They're also making the pandemic & related economic measures last longer than necessary. I can't wait for the next shutdown(s) as more variants evolve then spread and hospitals become even more inundated. Meanwhile I look at places like South Korea which have had life continue relatively normal because people actually wear masks there instead of politicizing them.

clipradiowallet 5y ago
Interesting. I'm not pro/anti vax or anything else, but I imagined unhealthy people were taking up hospital beds disproportionally. I was interested in why you felt the way you do; thanks for sharing your opinion.
- andrewzah 5y ago
  The entire raison d'être of hospitals is to treat unhealthy people when they get sick and lessen or prevent healthy individuals from getting sick. So that statement is tautological. Unvaccinated/maskless people [by choice] who then get sick with COVID and go to the hospital anyways are unnecessarily draining hospitals of their limited resources. Hospitals were already understaffed before COVID, and now unvaccinated/maskless people want the workers at hospitals to risk their lives and work around the clock to benefit people who basically flipped them (and science) off until they got sick and changed their tune. It's so hypocritical. The highly infectious aspect of the disease makes it different from e.g. poor lifestyle habits or one off decisions. Every single COVID patient is taking up a bed/resources that could have gone to people who are unhealthy for reasons outside of their control, and there are hospitals completely at capacity due to COVID. And not making a choice to be pro or anti-vax is a choice in itself. Choosing to not have an opinion means implicitly supporting the status quo, which where I am would mean implicitly supporting a bunch of unvaccinated, maskless people by choice draining our resources and having a flagrant disregard for their fellow citizens. That statement makes about as much sense as saying "I'm not pro or anti -science-". There needs to be a very good reason(s) why one would be "neutral" about vaccines or science. Internet conspiracies don't count as good reasons, and the other side has has actual research and facts backing it up. Saying that one is just "neutral" about science or vaccines is semantically exactly the same as saying that one is anti-science or vaccines.
  - Clubber 5y ago
    >Choosing to not have an opinion means implicitly supporting the status quo, which where I am would mean implicitly supporting a bunch of unvaccinated, maskless people It most certainly does not, at least to a rational person. That's very cultish thinking.